US and the Brits

Considering the US only has just over 250 years of history where as UK has probably over 2000 years of history (don’t forget the era of Vikings, that’s part of it too) it’s understandable that you find it hard to comprehend the reasoning of so much we take for granted.

We’ve got a new Prime Minister coming into power very soon so UK/US relations probably won’t change much with Gordon Brown but if what he’s been saying actually happens in the UK maybe/hopefully a few things will change for the better.

With the US it’s better to be a friend/ally than an enemy (with something the US wants) even if on most cases the decisions borderline supressing basic human rights on occasion.

Good topic, but i feel eventually it’s going to turn into a "Yeah the USA is the R0x0r!!! the UK is teh suck" ….or something like that with little to no context behind it.

well, i wasn’t about to split hairs to name all regions but i guess you know what i mean. and i figured you were as you don’t come across as narrow minded.

[quote quote="2nd Nature":x2js3r5e]Lady Sovereign

^ sick as f**k[/quote:x2js3r5e]

u see i don’t like her at all i infact hate her personly to listen to someone who speeks about what really happens in the UK and what they want to cover up is Akala listened to this

Akala – Welcome To England

speaks what really happens over here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_nSoksmehc

especially the start but all the way through addressing the way it is over here and alot of countrys

peace

damn the brits where wack as f*** i am ashamed we sent them out the Americans killed em

US against UK huh? On the commercial level (by commercial i mean stuff that people know about and people who get OUT there) the US have lyrically murdered and re-murdered the UK rap artists.

1 person for you though…Prof Green! White boy from London, took on Jin at the Bahamas in the Freestyle Battle champs. He has major nuts of steel to take on the worlds greatest freestyle MC in a final with an AMERICAN audience.

Now there’s a local guy in Glasgow (Scotland) who just hangs on the streets with his buddies and he freestyles for all the passers-by. I stop and listen to this guy for up to an hour at a time…he just amazes me with his skill. He refuses to go mainstream or even attempt to get his stuff out there because he knows that coming from the UK (Scotland especially) he’s never gonna reach out to the people he wants because alot of people judge performance on origin and, sadly, race. so this white dude spending his time with his friends is probably the dopest freestyle I’ve ever heard, never had a line repeated in the history of me listening to him. If he was American he’s be famous.

Have I totally missed the point in this topic and just ranted on or have I actually made some sense by pointing out the fact it’s about where you’re from and who you’re with rather than your musical talent that gets you famous and recognised?

Peace

Seems like the topic has deviated a wee bit.

Whilst the relations between the US and the UK strive to be of an amicable nature i think if no one pays attention, China’s economy is going to completely destroy that of UK or US within the next 20 years or less.

avalonandon wrote:

We as musicians, I believe, have a uniquely powerful ability to affect positive change due to the emotional sway of music itself. Music, I feel is among the most powerful forces on earth, thereby making this type of discussion, relevant and important (to me anyway). Lets inspire, question and challenge eachother and find some truth in this…. I LOVE England, her history and the fact that the US was birthed by Her. I would LOVE to have an open discussion about our mutual opinions, dissensions, hopes and fears for the future. Above all nations, you are our ally, yet in light of the last 5 years of gross irresponsibility (as I see it, and part of the open and possibly brutal discussion) of George Bush, Dick Cheney and the CIA….how is our bond and do we see our nations working past this current horror….(or is it really, a bad situation?) BRING IT ON!!! Unleash your weapons of crass discussion…

A good start to gettnig past these tough times we are in at the moment is if Mr Bush stops getting voted in and getting a leader with a bit more of a conscious. I mean mean its a bad thing acting so hastily out of need for retribution, but in light of the fact that our home – earth – seems to be in dire straits, it makes such an action so much worse. Although england and the states should stick together through this tough time, I am also upset with out prime minister for going into this thing all dopey eyed without wagging his finger at the president. Ok, we should back each other up, but I feel that our leader should clearly state that his people are displeased with the way things transpired instead of making it sound like we were all into this action. I for one feel mis-quoted by him and would love to openly call him a twat.

How do you in the states see Mr Blair? And what the equivilent of the word twat in usa (I already know the term "bush", I mean another one).

Well, I’d like to comment on the US/UK Relations.

First off, I definitely agree with calling Blair, "Bush’s Beeaatch". I’ve lived in both the US and Europe, and have definitely seen all kinds of perspectives regarding US-Foreign relations.

In terms of whether the UK will always be allied with the US, I think that is for sure. Winston Churchill, ? I believe was the one who told England to forever remain allies with the Americans? I think that will stay true through the course of time.

China is gaining strength mostly due to European/US investments, but Europe is rising again in strength through the efforts of the EU. What bothers me about England, is the fact that the country wants to be "fully" committed to the EU and also "fully" committed to the US. Personally, I think the EU drains England more than it creates a benefit, but regardless England needs to stop being lukewarm about what and who they are going to support, especially when you have financial conflicts that affect European/British interests.

The US never expected and understimated the European economy and the value of the Euro. Many people here thought it would be a failed system doomed to create more problems than it would solve. There still are many skeptics on the states side, but the fact of the matter is that Europe’s growing economy has created an impact here in the US. The impact was only magnified by all the lies and BS of the Bush White House. What will happen then, we’ll just have to see?

But ultimately, the US is the world’s single greatest military and economic power. The US is the modern world empire. One could almost compare it to that of any other empire in history, but the thing that worries me, is the fact that never in the history of time, has anyone empire had the capability to destroy the entire planet.

The US empire will one day fall, just like all the rest. The difference will be that unlike anyother empire, the US will take the world with it when it does, and that is a very sad reality that I hope we never will have to face.

All true, but whilst we’re controlled by governments that tax us beyond that which is funny (thus creating a bigger divide in the classes, over here in blighty anyway) and whilst there are still people who don’t believe they are capable of self governing (and the like) the future will still be bleak thanks to those who decide to let the blind lead the blind.

Which makes it all more frustrating for those of us who’ve decided to take the blind off our eyes and ‘tut’ in dismay at what we were following for so long.

(but true)

Random Logistics wrote:

I think the problem with british and US politicians is that there more concerned with what the public think of them than actually doing things that help society, politicians dont anything more than ‘office-holding’ i.e. they try to keep there cushy position for as long as possible by not making waves. Its hard to really blame them as it is there career, and would we do any different in there position, most of us probably wouldn’t.

You know, thats so true. The whole point of what they are supposed to be working for is taken over sometimes about thier efforts to stay in power. In a way, I find it contradictory because if they were actually doing what they were supposed to be doing, people would be more than happy to keep them in power. The fact that they pull out all the stops, make false promises and then just make decisions that the majority were against in the first place anyway, seems to point to the fact that keeping power is more important than doing the right thing for the people. If you ask me, its time that they started doing the work they are supposed to do for thier employers, and thier employers are the people.

We must remember that they are not there to rule us, they are there to basically do our bidding. We should be able to stand in front of the president or prime minister and shout "get off your a**e and sort your s**t out. We said NO and we meant NO". Its funny how in some ways we are so frightened of our employees. I mean, really, whos the boss here? Is any of you here employed by your leader or was it you who gave him the job. In fact, how many of you did not even want to "employ" your current minister/president?

When I see them actually listening to the people, I will be impressed. All I see at the moment are a bunch of very clever business men making a whole load of dosh and personal future security.

As for the u.s and u.k connection. I stayed san francisco for 6 months and I came back with the knowledge that I love the people, but hate the government and the system.