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October 26, 2007 at 4:27 pm #543395
coojuiceParticipantHi folks.
I’m going to set up a small home studio and would just like some advise/info before I go ahead with it.
Firstly the type of studio i’m on about is simply for producing dance tracks but I may think about possibly recording stuff aswell.
At the moment i’ve just been messing about with reason, acid pro, audacity etc on my pc but i’m going to set up a seperate system alltogether.
I’ve recently started a HND in sound production and have been using pro tools on macs for recording so i’d like to know the following:
1. Should I go for a mac or pc?
2. What midi instruments should I buy?
3. What monitor/s, speakers etc should I buy?
4. What RAM, Hard drive speed etc should I look into getting?
5. What Software/Hardware would be most suitable?I cant think of any more but if anyone can add to the list something I should have asked then please do so.
I’m definately going to buy pro tools as i’m using it at college and this would be a big advantage for me and i’m also looking at buying reason 4, but other than that I ‘m not sure what to go for.
Any help would be much appreciated;)
AdSense 336x280October 26, 2007 at 4:27 pm #635944
coojuiceParticipantHi folks.
I’m going to set up a small home studio and would just like some advise/info before I go ahead with it.
Firstly the type of studio i’m on about is simply for producing dance tracks but I may think about possibly recording stuff aswell.
At the moment i’ve just been messing about with reason, acid pro, audacity etc on my pc but i’m going to set up a seperate system alltogether.
I’ve recently started a HND in sound production and have been using pro tools on macs for recording so i’d like to know the following:
1. Should I go for a mac or pc?
2. What midi instruments should I buy?
3. What monitor/s, speakers etc should I buy?
4. What RAM, Hard drive speed etc should I look into getting?
5. What Software/Hardware would be most suitable?I cant think of any more but if anyone can add to the list something I should have asked then please do so.
I’m definately going to buy pro tools as i’m using it at college and this would be a big advantage for me and i’m also looking at buying reason 4, but other than that I ‘m not sure what to go for.
Any help would be much appreciated;)
AdSense 336x280October 26, 2007 at 5:26 pm #635947
goodyear90Participantif you got the money always go with mac is my advice.
i would recomend following midi instruments:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/m-audio_keysta … yboard.htm
http://www.thomann.de/gb/maudio_trigger … roller.htm
you won’t need any fancy monitors in a home studio so i recomend following or headphones could work:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_b203 … onitor.htm
i would recomend to have at LEAST 1028 in RAM the more the better. hard drive isn’t that importent i guess but you should aim at 7200 RPM and you will need alot of Gb.
i would also invest in a nice mixer/sound card i really like:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_mw_12.htm
you will need a good sound card and with this one you also get a mixer. its great for recording drums, guitar rigs and so on but you might not be in to that.
for recording i would get a Large-diaphragm Microphone like the following:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_sct2000.htm
if you are a beginner you should get a mic in the range of 80-200 £. They are pretty much the same in that range and in i home studio you won’t need anything fancy. with most of does mics you can record anything you need from vocals to insturuments. beware if you are recording a drumkit you will need at least 4 mics. if you are into recording drums you might consider getting a midi drumset.
i use fruity loops for beat making and cubase for recording. i think cubase Sx are the best recording program but it’s just a matter of taste i guess.
btw i recomend thomann they have the best prices and are great to deal with.
well thats about it.
PEACE / Big O
AdSense 336x280October 26, 2007 at 5:30 pm #635948
goodyear90Participantbtw a tips is to down load the programs for free. then you can try out witch one you like the best.
AdSense 336x280October 26, 2007 at 5:41 pm #635950
JuggernautParticipantAnd off to Audio Chat we go…
AdSense 336x280October 27, 2007 at 10:36 am #635974
coojuiceParticipantThanks for the help here guys, some great info and advise.
I’m pretty much decided about going for a mac for my studio as i’m learning at college using macs so this would be the most practical solution for me as I can learn it at home and progress my work at college too.
What type of mac would be most practical for me? I’ve seen a great offer for a 2nd hand G4 eMac online with the following details but not sure if it’s suitable:
APPLE G4 eMac
800Mhz CPU
512Mb RAM
40Gb Hard Disk Drive
CD-ROM Drive
2 x FireWire
3 x USB Ports
56K MODEM
Sound
10/100 Network
Mac OS X 10.4.10 Installed
Please note , no restore CDs , installation disks or media supplied with this system
Complete with Apple Keyboard and Optical Mouse & power cable
Perfect working order
Tested and GuaranteedPrice: £159.99
This sounds to easy(and cheap!) to be true and going by the comments on this post here I would need to upgrade the RAM and god knows what else! so would I be better getting a different one altogether or would it be more cost effective If I can upgrade this one?
Now that i’m almost certain about going for a mac over a pc I guess I have to choose the rest on this decision?
I was looking at logic studio before I wrote this so I think i’ll look into it a bit more.
Budget wise, I think purchasing one of the following would suit me:
Pro tools and logic studio or Pro tools and Reason 4.
I’ll look into all the other stuff mentioned here but if anyone has any more advise then feel free to let me know.
Once again, thanks for the help;)
AdSense 336x280October 27, 2007 at 3:09 pm #635980
ChunkyEatsMyDinnerParticipant[quote quote="Plattitude":2ziqykcy]honestly, I think that mac is bit weak.
I’m running logic8 on a G4 1,2Ghz which goes but could definately be more fun..
on a G5 2Ghz it’s another world so to speak.and if you can afford an (intel) macmini you’ll have a real powerful machine.
but before saving on the wrong point, I’d go with that eMac.
I don’t know how easy it is to upgrade ram/HD in an eMac..?!btw. I would definately prefer Logic over Reason!! no question!!
hth..[/quote:2ziqykcy]
Safe advice, I was running Logic 7 on a G4 Powermac 1.25Ghz 1GB RAM with no problems. With Logic (as with some other programs) you can ‘freeze’ tracks freeing up some of the resources the program would otherwise be using.
I bought mine 2nd hand in Jan this year for about £350 and sold it last month for about the same.AdSense 336x280October 27, 2007 at 4:47 pm #635987
coojuiceParticipantI thought that the offer I seen would probably come with a hitch! lol. Better to find all this out before I make a big mistake though.
This should probably be in a new topic of it’s own but is Logic Studio 8 better than Reason 4?
I’ve had a chance to look over a video demo of Reason 4 and also read the review in this months S.O.S. and have to say i’m pretty impressed with it. Maybe this is because i’ve familiarised myself with version 3 and like it simply because i "know it".
I’ve still to look over the review of studio 8 yet so i’ll keep an open mind till then but i’d love to hear some advantages to buying logic over reason if anyone has any.
AdSense 336x280October 29, 2007 at 12:52 am #636063
anisinaParticipantI think you have a conflict of interests here. 1) Do you go for a better level of qualifications, or 2) go for more musical creativity?
If it’s the first part, then duplicate your HND setup. If it’s creativity, then go with what you know will let it flow with minimal interruption.
To attempt to compare Logic to Reason could be like choosing to Stir Fry in a small wok or a large wok. Logic has problems (just like any sequencer) and Reason (including v4) is extremely stable. You can do the things with Logic that you can’t do with Reason, but Reason gives a multitude of instruments (as you will know) without the cpu overhead of the likes of Logic, Cubase, Nuendo, Sonar etc etc….
If you want to get things down quick before you loose the idea, then it has to be Reason. The restrictions allow you the freedom to concentrate on what matters most, as opposed to wondering what this VST setting will sound like, or this setting, but what about that setting… did it sound better!!!!!
If you do upgrade to v4 (and anybody who has Reason should because Thor is like the NI Massive, and they’ve sorted that ‘sound’ that people afraid to shape so commonly comment on) then buy from the Props site as it is fast delivery. Oh, and the UK has fucked up on upgrade stocks. Blame M-Audio for that apparently.
1. Should I go for a mac or pc? Should ask people who have used both for an independent review. Or and learn how to configure a PC for DAW purposes. Configuring will save you money and match, and maybe better the performance of a Mac. Furthermore, there are many very good ‘free’ VST’s available for PC as opposed to Mac, and more cross platform sequencers for VST than Mac. I don’t believe you will get an honest answer from somebody who has bought one or the other unless they use both. PS. My own built PC is stable as F***.

2. What midi instruments should I buy? A keyboard controller, and if possible, a control surface.
3. What monitor/s, speakers etc should I buy? In all honesty, I bought the Yamaha HS80m’s because we had them on trial at ‘work’ and stood up well against the Quested S8’s. So much so, they now sit alongside each other. Headphones give you a false sense of the stereo range.
4. What RAM, Hard drive speed etc should I look into getting? RAM = minimum 1GB and HDD = 7200rpm and partition the drive(s) with a minimum of 300+GB. 32bit platforms struggle with more than 2GB of RAM.
5. What Software/Hardware would be most suitable? That is a question you need to breakdown into specific areas… Sequencer, VST’s etc etc..
AdSense 336x280October 31, 2007 at 10:23 am #636241
coojuiceParticipantOk time for an update:
After hours of research I think the most practical solution for me is to buy a mac. Now I need to find one that would do.
I was all for buying Pro Tools as it would help me with college but i’m now tempted to go for logic studio 8! still undecided so i’ll investigate more.
I’m looking at getting reason 4 too but would I need this if I get logic?
All the other stuff i’m still looking into.
Any more advice would be great;)
AdSense 336x280November 5, 2007 at 1:46 pm #636493
eikcamlloydParticipant[quote quote="tobacco_slammers":2oojx50x]Ok time for an update:
After hours of research I think the most practical solution for me is to buy a mac. Now I need to find one that would do.
I was all for buying Pro Tools as it would help me with college but i’m now tempted to go for logic studio 8! still undecided so i’ll investigate more.
I’m looking at getting reason 4 too but would I need this if I get logic?
All the other stuff i’m still looking into.
Any more advice would be great;)[/quote:2oojx50x]
having a G4 orG5 is the first thing you need as you would have been told if you are at collage
logic or cubase sx/recycle/ are a must have
reason is a software you can use with cubase..
and of course a sound card
learning and understanding midi is a must..
add a good mixing desk with monitors and a midi interface..
and ur ready to go…Good Luck!!!
AdSense 336x280November 6, 2007 at 10:14 pm #636599
coojuiceParticipantOk guys, i’ve spent hour upon hour researching further into this and have decided to go for the following based on practicality, budget and personal taste:
A suitable PC and monitor screen/s
A decent sound card
Good monitor speakers
Reason 4
Cubase Studio 4
An average midi usb keyboard
Custom built studio furnitureI was all for a mac but i’ve decided to go for cubase studio 4 as my main sequencer instead of pro tools or logic and will be able to run this of a pc, which is more suited to my budget anyway. I’m also going to go ahead with reason 4 simply because I like it.
Pro tools was my first choice of sequencer as I thought it would help me at college but after some advice I decided not to go for it as cubase is more suited to what I want to do.
Speakers, keyboards etc. Lots to choose from online, like a few but will look at some more before I decide what to go for.
I also looked into furniture but diy is definately the way to go.
Anything else obvious that i’ve missed or could consider?
AdSense 336x280November 7, 2007 at 1:06 pm #636643
aj-smsParticipantYou missed some acoustic treatment from the list. I agree you should build the furniture yourself. To buy quiklok will eat your budget, so get some wood, varnish, router, jigsaw, drill, and a screwfix catalogue and you will be designing before you know it.
check out http://www.studiotips.com/ and http://www.studiopeople.com/ for some ideas. Have a browse through the studio sos articles at http://www.soundonsound.com/search?sect … studio+sos and the studio design forum http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/postl … ard=DESIGN
hey, maybe we could have a competition to design it
AdSense 336x280November 9, 2007 at 12:02 pm #636838
mattcutupParticipantPriority # 1
good monitors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(and if your room is shizz, sort that out)
AdSense 336x280November 9, 2007 at 4:59 pm #636857
coojuiceParticipantThanks again for the info guys.
I know the acoustics of my room will play a big part in the production of my tracks, as it will with any studio, and i’ve been looking up some info on it but if anyone has any tips or advice then feel free to share.
I cant do anything to my room by means of adjusting the size but I can try and make best use of it.
Here are my room dimensions for the techies:
L – 16 ft (4.88m)
W – 9ft 8" (2.94m)
H – 7ft 6" (2.25m)I’ll try and upload a rough plan of the room with where i’m going to position stuff and see if anyone has any advice.
I’m also going to be building a seperate new unit for my decks and moving my computer set up from where it is the now so will this take a huge part in the acoustics of the room?
AdSense 336x280November 9, 2007 at 10:47 pm #636866
goodyear90Participantwhen i record with a Large-diaphragm Microphone i use to put it in a corner with mattresses or build a little box of them. they fix all my acoustic problems. wardrobes might be a good ide to use but maybe you dont record vocals?
AdSense 336x280November 11, 2007 at 1:02 pm #636927
f9ParticipantFirst thing to look at which a lot of people forget is ur monitors get the best sounding monitors u can afford then sought out the acoustics of ur studio..equipment wise really and truly u can make a hit record on the most minimal equipment dont think u have to get the latest software or hardware..AND REMEMBER A TRACK IS ONLY AS GOOD AS UR IDEAS U PUT IN NOT THE EQUIPMENT USED..Peace
AdSense 336x280November 12, 2007 at 9:53 pm #637008
coojuiceParticipantHaving had a virus on my PC recently this has questioned my choices…
I’m going to be using my new set up solely for music production so I wasn’t going to be connecting to the internet anyway but will I need to for software updates etc?
If so what security would you reccomend?
AdSense 336x280November 12, 2007 at 11:15 pm #637009
Mr_RoachParticipantMy advice is to go with a mac computer!!!
It’s easy to handle and you’ll be fascinated by the performance!!!
Apple Logic is always a good choice for every kind of recording or making music!!!
The new Version(8.0) is great and definetly the best solution for musicians and producers.AdSense 336x280November 13, 2007 at 1:15 am #637015
anisinaParticipant[quote quote="tobacco_slammers":sqb6ldvl]Having had a virus on my PC recently this has questioned my choices…
I’m going to be using my new set up solely for music production so I wasn’t going to be connecting to the internet anyway but will I need to for software updates etc?
If so what security would you reccomend?[/quote:sqb6ldvl]
In all honesty, research Dual-Boot DAW’s, and using Partitions to seperate the Boot (Drive C:) the General (Drive D: (everyday PC ) and DAW setup (Drive E: (including trims and tweaks) as it will be of massive benefit. Also, read up on the benefits of having a separate (and partitioned) HDD just for Projects and Audio files too.

PS. Left a link to a load of tweaks
PPS. Know your machine.
AdSense 336x280November 14, 2007 at 1:44 pm #637117
coojuiceParticipant[quote quote="anisina":feh4rj4u]
In all honesty, research Dual-Boot DAW’s, and using Partitions to seperate the Boot (Drive C:) the General (Drive D: (everyday PC ) and DAW setup (Drive E: (including trims and tweaks) as it will be of massive benefit. Also, read up on the benefits of having a separate (and partitioned) HDD just for Projects and Audio files too.

PS. Left a link to a load of tweaks
PPS. Know your machine.[/quote:feh4rj4u]
I’m really undecided of what to go for now! lol
Anisina: very interesting stuff there. I’m going to start a fresh post on this topic with a couple of questions I have, just to keep this post open for the original content.
AdSense 336x280November 16, 2007 at 8:49 pm #637281
coojuiceParticipantArgh! this research is starting to do my nut in!
For the past 48 hours all i’ve looked at is RAM, CPU, DDR2, GB, MB, R2D2, Thingmy bobs, Wotgi micallits! I need a break!
Sorry for the outburst guys:( But i’d like a little nudge here;)
Maybe you will think this is the easy way out and if you do tell me to Feck off, but can anyone recommend a site that sells PC’s for using to create music with?
I’ve hunted high and low but the truth is i’m out of my league here. I’ve spent more time looking into making music than actually doing it! lol
I’ve changed my mind more times than I can count now on what i’m going to use for production but i’ve finally decided what i’m going to get, from some advice on this forum and personal preference.
Pro Tools and Reason 4 it is. This was my first choices really and I looked into the other suggestions but these are the tools that feel right for me just now.
So obviously i’ll need something that these will run on well, but as I said, I just don’t know where to go.
Any help would be much appreciated;)
AdSense 336x280November 12, 2011 at 7:26 am #689920
PedroMiguelParticipantuse macbook pro + sonar x1
AdSense 336x280September 1, 2013 at 10:43 pm #700063
vsopmaniaParticipantgood headphones and speakers are important….I like the Yamaha HS8…try free trial of ableton suite and reason for DAW to see which ones you like,,,mixcraft, reaper and a few others
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