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April 5, 2006 at 11:40 pm #533600
acheadKeymasterwith drum n bass sales falling and most major players in the scene becoming disillusioned with the state of the music, i have to ask myself what is going on, to me it seems like once more the scene is splitting yet again, theres the new up and coming tech heads who churn out endless amounts of sometimes in my opinion heartless dnb bordering on techno and the oldskool artists who are grabbing every reggae sample there is and then lazily throwing them onto beats and realeasing it, i feel both sets of artists are causing a rift within this music which has never really reached its full potential, back in the day we made music WE truly loved not what we thought other people will love…what do you think….PEECE OUT.
AdSense 336x280April 5, 2006 at 11:40 pm #587902
acheadKeymasterwith drum n bass sales falling and most major players in the scene becoming disillusioned with the state of the music, i have to ask myself what is going on, to me it seems like once more the scene is splitting yet again, theres the new up and coming tech heads who churn out endless amounts of sometimes in my opinion heartless dnb bordering on techno and the oldskool artists who are grabbing every reggae sample there is and then lazily throwing them onto beats and realeasing it, i feel both sets of artists are causing a rift within this music which has never really reached its full potential, back in the day we made music WE truly loved not what we thought other people will love…what do you think….PEECE OUT.
AdSense 336x280April 6, 2006 at 12:03 am #587907
JuggernautParticipantwhat you say i kinda agree with but at the same time, new names coming into dnb come from very different backgrounds as compared to how things were "back in the day"…the fact that the internet is now as common as breathing and the advances in technology (especially hardware devices emulated in software) are huge contributes to a lot of the newer dnb (as opposed to jungle) coming out. a prime example is that of Sub Focus, Pendulum and Cyantific. I name these three as one group are out there in the pop spotlight, the other sounds very similar and i really like Ghetto Blaster at the moment.
Whilst the musical backgrounds may well be – and are – different, there’s no denying that Sub Focus and Pendulum seem to share similar sound qualities in their tracks (X-Ray as opposed to Slam for example) perhaps DOA.com is to blame as software is reviewed by said artists and others, and could possibly be used by both parties resulting in subtle (but audible) similarities…also being on the same record label is an indication of what kind of "sound" they’d have anyway
Cyantific’s sound is somewhat varied (coming from Hospital records) and the album itself has a vast array of evident influences..Miami Bass being one for Ghetto Blaster.
I’m thinking off the top of my head here so excuse me if this isn’t making much sense.
As for old skool producers grabbing samples and churning something out in a possible form of desperation (please don’t stone me), i think it’s the fact that they’re trying so hard to hold on to the past that they’re failing to see their own genre evolve/mutate before them.
Another thing i think you’re missing out on is that in the old days when dnb/jungle was in its early stages, there was a heavy jamaican influence (obviously) this was true to the extent of the selector (DJ) and MC…i’m not too sure if every selector back then was a producer too or vice versa but now it is a tricky balancing act between getting what you love out, to connect with the people out there. True some people ONLY think of the money but hey, c’est la vie.
all this kinda reminds me of when i was playing out 2 weeks ago and didn’t feel like playing on vinyl. I get this guy coming up to me saying "ahh, man. why are you selling out on the CDJ’s?? you should be spinning on the wheels of steel!"
my response
"you know, you’re a sell out if you stay stuck on one thing. Diversity is the way forwards if you don’t want to be left behind" – needless to say i was 100% sober at the time
AdSense 336x280April 6, 2006 at 12:34 am #587909
acheadKeymasterhey Juggernaut yea am feelin what your sayin diversity is indeed the way forward and as a producer who uses mostly software to make my tracks i understand the way its changed music and your piece about alot of oldskool producers becoming desperate and trying to find something that they feel the new artists cannot utilise is true aswell, i ain’t hatin on dnb its the love of my life, but the line between progression and digression in dnb is sometimes a little blurred, plus one day i hope someone will explain to me what a "sell out" is and at the sametime explain the meaning of life.
AdSense 336x280April 6, 2006 at 8:03 am #587922
acheadKeymastero.k people don’t get me wrong maybe if i heard dnb on saturday morning tv,adverts or even TOTP i’d at least know we’d arrived, i feel dnb has under acheived bigtime,all other undergronud music has its upperground level but still keeps realness lets call it the jekyll and hyde syndrome, as a dnb producer i want to make my music beleiving as well as it could be a smash it could also get me the house the car and the girl, if i turn on mtv its very rare that i see a dnb video and if i do the video is far from thought provoking,there is lots of excellent and i mean excellent musically arranged dnb high contrast is just one example that never gets seen by the masses is that some sort of conspiracy or just bad publicity, or is the scene imploding because of so called Galactico’s(dinosours) thinking they still have their fingers on the pulse when they in truth haven’t got a clue anymore.
AdSense 336x280April 6, 2006 at 7:59 pm #587948
vimParticipantEven though the likes of Pendulum get daytime radio play, it’ll never become totally pop. Gone are the days when a TV show or advert would stick a jungle-speed break over a tune in a bid to sound ‘now’ or ‘street’ or whatever.
No matter how hard DOA.com, Breakbeat Kaos and the like try, drum n bass isn’t going to get much more mainstream.
As for the veteran producers, the internet has severely loosened their domination, which may explain the desparation you mention, and as much as I respect them, times change.
AdSense 336x280April 7, 2006 at 12:15 am #587960
ProcleusParticipantGood topic. Things to me started looking bad when Redeye’s latest vinyl was mostly amen tracks, hard step voltage, and hip-hop crossovers. Don’t get me wrong, I dig all that, and would mix it in a set for sure, but do I need 10 copies of the same idea? You know what I mean? I like to challenge myself by taking old tracks and mixing them with new ones, and mix styles together. I don’t have one favorite over another. If I notice I’m lacking in one style I hunt for some more of it, so I have options in a set. I don’t look at the top ten lists anymore, cause it’s only ten. I like top 100 lists, really. So it’s not all focused on the newest, but what’s worked. I discourage allegiance to a label, crew, or style, cause it leads to ignorance. Cliques are what kills the scene. Then people aren’t there to dance, they’re members making an appearance. Checking out your vinyl like it matters, dropping names, pretty much being in the way. DNB is already in cartoons, commericals, soundtracks, pop remixes, but not all of it. The rest is at the party you’re dancing at and having fun. That’s the point of it anyway.
AdSense 336x280April 7, 2006 at 9:08 am #587971
acheadKeymasterFirstly gotta say its good to know heads with passion are still out there.
People are mentioning the acalaids dnb received way back when….These have been and always will be the music industry patting the little underground music boy on the head giving him his certificate and pushing him back into the corner,eg:dizzy rascal (garage/grime) the streets(garage/hip hop) we were given these prizes by the industry not the kids.
Correct me if i’m wrong but Ambience came to light as a more chill out vibe, was it ever really made to grab the masses?.You tell me.
The reason i love dnb is its diversity, just when you feel theres nowhere else we can go some one comes along and does something that smacks you in the face.
To me as long as you make music that you put yourself into or feel when your making it and it blows up and hits no 1, then thats cool,personally i make music that makes me happy 1st.Eg: one day i could argue with my mrs and go an build a dark dirty grimmy tune, that night we could make up, i wake up the next day its sunny birds are chirping n s**t so i make a nice summer vibe tune, now i could play someone the two tunes an they may sit there an say am sellin out….But its just me.
The point is my friends you can move the one person and the thousand as you say Psuedocool F**ks, the house,car and girl(shallow or not) are the choices YOU make,but in dnb it would be nice to look and say we have the choice.
AdSense 336x280April 7, 2006 at 2:56 pm #587992
Damien_StarksParticipantDNB is currently in a transitional phase. The Internet has spoilt us, what we need to do is go back to the record shops like we used to and start digging. There are plenty of talented Producers out there. Go to a record shop for a couple hours, listen to some of the new releases and come away with a stack of tunes.
AdSense 336x280April 7, 2006 at 3:21 pm #587996
vimParticipantDamien_Starks wrote:DNB is currently in a transitional phase. The Internet has spoilt us, what we need to do is go back to the record shops like we used to and start digging. There are plenty of talented Producers out there. Go to a record shop for a couple hours, listen to some of the new releases and come away with a stack of tunes.I wouldn’t totally knock the internet. Before the net people like me in the middle of nowhere had to rely on a 3rd or 4th generation copy of some mixtape, and if you were lucky a trip to Bristol every now and again. The net has totally opened things up.
AdSense 336x280April 13, 2006 at 12:12 am #588280
toksikParticipanti dont care if dnb gets goes mainstream or goes away. i make and listen to dng cause i love it and have loved it from the first time i heard it. sure it would be great to have dnb get huge with the public, at least there would be a chance for me to be able to make a living from doing it but even still i am going to work my ass off so that perhaps one label will find my work good enough to release and still work even harder so that maybe i can quit my job so that i can focus all my time to be as big as some of these other big guys out there. i have passion enough to sit everyday to and from work even while at work listening to the same 10 mixes over and over just so i can hear and understand as many intracacies of the music as i can fit in my brain.
….ok f’ing rant
anyways i wouldnt worry about dnb going away anytime soon. theres alot of folks out there that are like me and theres alot of other folks where i want to be at in the scene. from being in a dnb crew and knowing several other dnb crews, from throwing parties and meeting and chilling with some big names i can tell you that there is alot of passion for this music out there, whether it ever gets recognized as being so unique and different doesnt matter, there will always be someone with enough passion to keep it alive.AdSense 336x280April 14, 2006 at 8:59 pm #588361
acheadKeymasterNUFF SAID…..Feelin dat toksik.
AdSense 336x280April 18, 2006 at 2:11 am #588498
reagansmistressParticipantKid 606 is back from his IDM trip and is turning out some awesome drum n bass.
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