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June 22, 2007 at 12:26 pm #541670
jabbampParticipantScientists are in search of some hypothetical partical called the "Higgs boson" or the "God particle". They feel it will reveal some great secrets of the universe.
To do this, they are constructing the largest ever particle accelerator ever. I mean, this thing is BIG – A 27 km ring and will send a proton around it over 11,000 times a second. It cost US$6.7 billion to build. They say that it will be capable to reproduce energies that were present just after the big bang. I heard that more than one of the scientists said that in truth, they have no idea what will really happen once its switched on.
Are they in fact building the device that will bring the end of the world? Are we about to discover something amazing that will change life dramatically? Or will this be the biggest waste of money ever? (Or am I becoming a pansey nerd? – no need to answer that btw)
Some links to the info: –
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1043http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor … Id=9433495
AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 12:26 pm #626409
jabbampParticipantScientists are in search of some hypothetical partical called the "Higgs boson" or the "God particle". They feel it will reveal some great secrets of the universe.
To do this, they are constructing the largest ever particle accelerator ever. I mean, this thing is BIG – A 27 km ring and will send a proton around it over 11,000 times a second. It cost US$6.7 billion to build. They say that it will be capable to reproduce energies that were present just after the big bang. I heard that more than one of the scientists said that in truth, they have no idea what will really happen once its switched on.
Are they in fact building the device that will bring the end of the world? Are we about to discover something amazing that will change life dramatically? Or will this be the biggest waste of money ever? (Or am I becoming a pansey nerd? – no need to answer that btw)
Some links to the info: –
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1043http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor … Id=9433495
AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 2:09 pm #626420
JuggernautParticipanthehe, i just watched Contact last night….this sounds like it’s going in the same direction, sans the static which is actually millions of pages of info from aliens telling us how to build a time machine…
blackholes chasing people in their living rooms sounds awesome
AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 3:24 pm #626429
jabbampParticipantI’ve seen contact, really like that film. But that would be so funny if they did this experiment and had some similar experience, but no facts to prove it.
Actually, looking at the pictures of it all, it reminds me of playing half-life with that research facility underground. Alien thingies would pop up from nowhere from what looks like little black holes. It might not be the black holes that chase you after all, but what comes out if them.

Maybe they are trying to re-create the game. If so, I want a go. I got quite good at it at one
point.AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 4:25 pm #626437
es-kParticipanthaha, thats actually kind of scary. the end of the world? maybe.
AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 4:51 pm #626443
DJPlayboiParticipantHaha, thats pretty freaky if you ask me but i am curious to find out what happens, and if we all die i think it would be better than dying alone…so that way everyone could go to heaven and you would not be up their alone.
"It is also possible that this $8 billion project will find nothing, or nearly nothing. Derujula says this would actually be the most interesting outcome."
So, possibly nothing will happen and everyone will call it a night…but then during the night evil space aliens come out of this portal and TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
Or not…
AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 6:52 pm #626462
jabbampParticipant[quote quote="SkylineAce":3j0j4g06]Haha, thats pretty freaky if you ask me but i am curious to find out what happens, and if we all die i think it would be better than dying alone…so that way everyone could go to heaven and you would not be up their alone.
"It is also possible that this $8 billion project will find nothing, or nearly nothing. Derujula says this would actually be the most interesting outcome."
So, possibly nothing will happen and everyone will call it a night…but then during the night evil space aliens come out of this portal and TAKE OVER THE WORLD!
Or not…
[/quote:3j0j4g06]OMG, everyone going to heaven – imagine the queue!!!
I suppose, anything they do find out is a step. Towards what, I dont know. Maybe it will be the first step towards start trek type replicators. And harnessing that much energy, surely somethings got to happen. I just hope its a good outcome. I will keep my eye out for the day that they fire that thing up, and I will have a great night out the night before… just in case. Hmmmm, might even be a good chat up line, (god knows I need one).
AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 9:16 pm #626490
avalonandonParticipantI am quite sure that they will uncover some very valuable info. Ive studied a bit about "the new physics" and where it is headed in the long run, and as long as we can stop killing eachother….ahem….we will make HUGE strides over the next century. The most interesting aspect of all of this , is how physics and spirituality seem to be merging into a greater understanding than "religion" ever provided. the new physics is unlocking mystical secrets as well as scientific. Im very hopeful…provided we can get people like George Bush out of the gene pool.
AdSense 336x280June 22, 2007 at 10:43 pm #626497
jabbampParticipantavalonandon wrote:Im very hopeful…provided we can get people like George Bush out of the gene pool.Yes please
AdSense 336x280June 24, 2007 at 12:19 am #626712
hippoParticipanti think the black holes you’re talking about are worm holes. black holes produce intense gravity and suck in all sorts of matter and light. im pretty sure it is a worm hole they are traveling through, which in reality would kick so much ass if we discover any of those. scientists amaze and scare me all at one.
AdSense 336x280June 24, 2007 at 11:11 am #626749
vice versesParticipantim not so much worried about what they find, its more what they do with that information afterwards.
and lets face it, spending that much on it …theyre gonna want something from it. and knowing the bush regime, i would suggest that it would be used to create some new horrendous super weapon that will probably lead to the distruction of man.or not.
V.V.
AdSense 336x280June 24, 2007 at 2:09 pm #626763
jabbampParticipant[quote quote="vice verses":2ymh1mnb]im not so much worried about what they find, its more what they do with that information afterwards.
and lets face it, spending that much on it …theyre gonna want something from it. and knowing the bush regime, i would suggest that it would be used to create some new horrendous super weapon that will probably lead to the distruction of man.or not.
V.V.[/quote:2ymh1mnb]
True, theres always a weapon in mind with new discovery and technology. Unfortunately, new forms of energy in its rawest and caotic form is usually destructive. Its one of the easiest applications of energy usually, although, they do have to think of cleaver ways to maximise the damage.
But I think one of the factors that they are looking for is that it maybe possible to make matter out of energy. The implications of that are quite mind boggling.
Thats the good thing about things though. In the end, it becomes avaliable to people who want to find much more usefull ideas for new stuff. I mean, I heard that most things that are in our everyday life came about because of some application in war, but after a while, joe public gets hold of it and starts making it into things we can use tio enhance our lives. I think this includes things like radio and tv and teletext, let alone nuclear power.
My main worry about this stuff though is that we might not get to see anything good come of it as we will all be sizzled or something just as drastic.
AdSense 336x280June 24, 2007 at 11:46 pm #626825
anisinaParticipantIt’s all political.
Scientists need funding to keep them in work, so they come up with a load of dog poo to get money to research it. Therefore, they get a salary for another few years.
In the words of the legendary Spice Girls i’ll…. stop right now, thank you very much.
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 12:12 am #626828
jabbampParticipant[quote quote="anisina":1ti1btyv]It’s all political.
Scientists need funding to keep them in work, so they come up with a load of dog poo to get money to research it. Therefore, they get a salary for another few years.
In the words of the legendary Spice Girls i’ll…. stop right now, thank you very much.
[/quote:1ti1btyv]Hmm, I know what you mean in a way. Sometimes it seem that they try to prove something dead obvious and get famous for proving what we all knew already. And there has been quite a few times they have come up with something, but in the end, you’ll see some program saying "it seemed that the theory of (such and such) was all wrong". It seems that if you make what you are looking into obscure enough, you can live of it for a while until someone comes along and says, "nope, wont work". Even better, they can disproove it them selves and make even more – lol.
Still though, it is interesting.
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 12:56 am #626838
avalonandonParticipantAlso, it is substantially more difficult to get funding these days. There has to be a solid, verifiable and well explained goal. Unless of course you are dealing with private investors…but even they aren’t as easily duped. I am sure there are alot of bad scientists out there doing such things…but when it comes to the CERN project, way way too many scientists, worldwide, that have nothing to gain directly…are extremely excited and eagerly awaiting it to come online. Its impacts are widely expected to be very significant and it defies reason that the ENTIRE scientific community, worldwide, would be in on a fraud that only a few would benefit from. The fact is that each time they have built larger particle accelerators, greater and greater useful knowledge has emerged…thereby driving the progression to ever larger ones. Its a proven concept.
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 1:35 pm #626917
acapellaKeymasterMay I just say (and it’s slightly off-topic) – you can spot the ‘regulars’ a mile away as you simply scroll down and 9.5/10 posters have their own lil’ avatar image..
pure bliss
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 5:29 pm #626947
jabbampParticipantavalonandon wrote:Also, it is substantially more difficult to get funding these days. There has to be a solid, verifiable and well explained goal. Unless of course you are dealing with private investors…but even they aren’t as easily duped. I am sure there are alot of bad scientists out there doing such things…but when it comes to the CERN project, way way too many scientists, worldwide, that have nothing to gain directly…are extremely excited and eagerly awaiting it to come online. Its impacts are widely expected to be very significant and it defies reason that the ENTIRE scientific community, worldwide, would be in on a fraud that only a few would benefit from. The fact is that each time they have built larger particle accelerators, greater and greater useful knowledge has emerged…thereby driving the progression to ever larger ones. Its a proven concept.So you dont think it will go
then?
In honesty, I am quite eager to see what comes out of it, but after hearing some of the scientists saying that they could not know for sure what would happen, as well as a few of them mentioning possible creation of black holes, it does leave one feeling a little nervous.
This page tries to help put the horrors in me
http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm
I thin point 2 in this is the one that makes me think the most. I mean, it talks about Hawking evaporation stating that if there were any micro black holes then they would evaportate using this theory. But for one thing, they say this theory has never been tested and a number of scientists seem to say that this theory will not work. Another thing is, from what I understand, a black hole is very high density matter with creates gravity so strong that even light will not escape it. If thats the case, then that means it will pull all local matter into it right? Then it becomes more dense and pulls even more and so on.
Because it is working with so many unknows, it easy to start thinking about things like, what if it does create matter from energy, but that matter starts off being ultra dense and just keeps on sucking (no rude pun intented).
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 5:42 pm #626950
avalonandonParticipantyes, but black holes have to have a certain size and density in order to remain in existence…and the size that would be created in this project would be WELL below that limit. I have read that black holes are everywhere in the universe and of an incredible range of sizes. There is even talk that several mini black holes exist on earth!! This is real science btw, not some idiot who reads UFO magazine. In fact there was an hour long documentary on the HIistory channel about it last month. In any event, I dont think it is in the slightest bit something to worry about. Of course Im just some idiot who reads AC4U…lol…
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 6:09 pm #626956
jabbampParticipantlol, and I am just some bloke worried about stuff he dose not really understand. I saw that doucmentary, its what started me thinking about it.
I tracked down and had a look at the report the author of that article reffered to – "Study of potentially dangerous events during heavy-ion collisions at the LHC:". After looking through it, I realised a very very important thing and that is… ‘I have no idea what they are talking about’. So, I think the best thing for me do do still is to wait for the night before they turn it on and go and get plastered.
Yes, ok, I am just looking for an excuse to go get plastered one day and have a good excuse for my actions. So, end of the world or not, its going to be a GREAT night out.

(:smt078 ) <—(until the possible next morning)
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 6:10 pm #626958
jabbampParticipant(applogies to pogoboy for nicking his avatar for the above
message, its just so cool)AdSense 336x280June 25, 2007 at 6:35 pm #626962
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="jabbamp":3ddioqo3]lol, and I am just some bloke worried about stuff he dose not really understand. I saw that doucmentary, its what started me thinking about it.
I tracked down and had a look at the report the author of that article reffered to – "Study of potentially dangerous events during heavy-ion collisions at the LHC:". After looking through it, I realised a very very important thing and that is… ‘I have no idea what they are talking about’. So, I think the best thing for me do do still is to wait for the night before they turn it on and go and get plastered.
Yes, ok, I am just looking for an excuse to go get plastered one day and have a good excuse for my actions. So, end of the world or not, its going to be a GREAT night out.

(:smt078 ) <—(until the possible next morning)[/quote:3ddioqo3]
that is just toooo funny jabbs!!
AdSense 336x280July 5, 2007 at 7:47 am #628078
avalonandonParticipantwell magic, I see by your avatar that you are very well, cranially protected…
AdSense 336x280July 5, 2007 at 12:41 pm #628091
jabbampParticipantmagic wrote:[quote quote="avalonandon":1w48tv0n]well magic, I see by your avatar that you are very well, cranially protected…yup avalonandon, and ear protected. very important. I doubt though that my tequila lime helmet will help me much in the event of a black hole chasing me around my living room.[/quote:1w48tv0n]
Ha ha, magnito (the cat) from the xmen movie. If it can stop brainwaves, it can possibly stop black holes.
You know, when I think about it, there must be loads of things happeneing, on earth or in space, that could threaten our existance. The thing is, you never know if or when.
Maybe this whole post amounts to that one real age old point: – Live now people, you might not be able to tomorrow. That last tomorrow just might be today.
Be happy people
AdSense 336x280July 6, 2007 at 11:15 am #628187
funkybeatsParticipant$6.7 billion to build some junk they don’t even know whats gonna happenn when they turn it on? Stuff like this pisses me off because just think how much that money could of helped the homeless, drug addiction, health care, the abused.
Waste of money.
Although if a blackhole does form then I will pop over to one and record some sounds for a new tune called "Does It Really MATTER" ;).
AdSense 336x280July 6, 2007 at 12:23 pm #628193
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="funkybeats":2fuggo5u]$6.7 billion to build some junk they don’t even know whats gonna happenn when they turn it on? Stuff like this pisses me off because just think how much that money could of helped the homeless, drug addiction, health care, the abused.
Waste of money.
Although if a blackhole does form then I will pop over to one and record some sounds for a new tune called "Does It Really MATTER" ;).[/quote:2fuggo5u]
now THAT is a great point!!!! (they do pretty much know what might happen…the possibilities anyway, or they wouldnt be doing it) but it is highly questionable as to why this sort of thing is going on when we have so many huge issues staring us in the face. It seems our priorites are a little off as a global community.
AdSense 336x280July 6, 2007 at 2:52 pm #628201
funkybeatsParticipantThen again I shouldn’t moan really because the US has so far spent 440 billion bucks on weapons this year.
AdSense 336x280July 6, 2007 at 3:43 pm #628208
jabbampParticipantfunkybeats wrote:Then again I shouldn’t moan really because the US has so far spent 440 billion bucks on weapons this year.So, build a machine that is a waste of money and possibly end the world, or make weapons that waste money and possibly end the world. I suppose the good thing about the machine is that it might happen quick enough so that nobody notices when big bang mk II comes along. What would be funny is if its a paradox where this machine makes a big bang that will create life like the previous big did, which in turn was the result of an experiment that caused a big bang. So maybe all this has happened before. I wonder if I typed the same thing the last time.
AdSense 336x280July 7, 2007 at 12:25 pm #628261
jabbampParticipantdmejia25 wrote:goes to show where our tax money is going towards.. if you ask me tey should just let the world be and not try to alter itThat unfortunately just can not be. With world population going up, changes in weather (man made or not) and desieases mutating constantly, which they do in nature even without our prompting and a whole host of other factors, there are things that it is quite nessasary to change.
True that a lot of these changes are because of what we have done in the world, but with quite a few things, how could we have known until it was too late? It was not mans original intent to mess up the world.
Because of the way things have developed, we have no choice now but to keep moving forward, but we do have a choice, now that we see a lot more from past learning, to move forward responsibly.
But is this experiment like this achieving this? Is it responsible? Justified?
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