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April 26, 2008 at 1:58 am #545723
avalonandonParticipantOkay, I just got a new pair of yamaha HS50 powered monitors and I want to calibrate them for my not-so-sound-friendly room. I also bought a decent quality digital sound meter but I have never done this and could use some experienced guidance OR be pointed to a tutorial of some kind that doesnt require a Phd in physics to understand…
Thanks in advance!
AdSense 336x280April 26, 2008 at 1:58 am #648617
avalonandonParticipantOkay, I just got a new pair of yamaha HS50 powered monitors and I want to calibrate them for my not-so-sound-friendly room. I also bought a decent quality digital sound meter but I have never done this and could use some experienced guidance OR be pointed to a tutorial of some kind that doesnt require a Phd in physics to understand…
Thanks in advance!
AdSense 336x280April 26, 2008 at 2:23 am #648621
anisinaParticipantI’ll come back on this. Possibly tomorrow. In the meantime have a look at http://www.digido.com/ the home of Bob Katz.
Have a close look at M (15) here….
http://www.digido.com/index.php?option=com_kb&Itemid=67
AdSense 336x280April 26, 2008 at 2:40 am #648623
avalonandonParticipantOh boy, Katz! Thanks Anisina. I am at this stage in my music. I can record and write, but the final mixing/mastering is a mysterious world…and you can tell by my current "final" mixes…uggh
AdSense 336x280April 26, 2008 at 5:12 pm #648646
anisinaParticipantYou need this…
Then follow this…
You don’t have to monitor at 83db levels, as often a lower level will show through what your ears are cancelling out due to sensitivity. And, it’s less fatiguing.
Acoustic treatment (not to be confused with sound proofing) is as important (if not more so) as having decent monitors, because a room without any furnishings or treatment will give a multitude of problems.
Knowing your budget, if you have any old duvets, pillows, curtains, cd racks, you can use those to absorb and dissipate some of the energy that will fill the room. Think about where you can place them. Put some behind you, behind the monitors, on the wall to your left and right, and some pillows where the wall meets the ceiling on the left and right. You don’t need to go overboard, but just a little thought and testing will help to give a better chance of hearing problems.
That’s all for now, got dinner to make.

PS. Check out your hearing curve.
AdSense 336x280April 30, 2008 at 9:51 pm #648862
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="anisina":27lrrp4i]You need this…
Then follow this…
You don’t have to monitor at 83db levels, as often a lower level will show through what your ears are cancelling out due to sensitivity. And, it’s less fatiguing.
Acoustic treatment (not to be confused with sound proofing) is as important (if not more so) as having decent monitors, because a room without any furnishings or treatment will give a multitude of problems.
Knowing your budget, if you have any old duvets, pillows, curtains, cd racks, you can use those to absorb and dissipate some of the energy that will fill the room. Think about where you can place them. Put some behind you, behind the monitors, on the wall to your left and right, and some pillows where the wall meets the ceiling on the left and right. You don’t need to go overboard, but just a little thought and testing will help to give a better chance of hearing problems.
That’s all for now, got dinner to make.

PS. Check out your hearing curve.
[/quote:27lrrp4i]
Sorry for the delayed response, I am in the last week of the semester with papers and finals.
I was wondering about the 83db level and glad you said that. In addition, I have put 3 queen sized foam rubber mattress cushions up and have plenty of furniture as well. From my understanding, if I use the sound meter in the exact listening spot I will use, and calibrate each monitor individually, most of the negative impacts of the room will be removed – is this true? Also, I have done that exact listening curve once but need to do it again in a quieter environment. That will be a very useful bit of info for me at my age, lol.
THANK YOU!!
AdSense 336x280May 1, 2008 at 8:41 am #648872
foreshadowParticipantAnisina…it sounds like you went to full sail ( am i correct? )
AdSense 336x280May 1, 2008 at 8:35 pm #648900
anisinaParticipantSorry foreshadow, never been to full sail. Only the university of life.

[quote quote="avalonandon":3ijih8zj]Sorry for the delayed response, I am in the last week of the semester with papers and finals.
I was wondering about the 83db level and glad you said that. In addition, I have put 3 queen sized foam rubber mattress cushions up and have plenty of furniture as well. From my understanding, if I use the sound meter in the exact listening spot I will use, and calibrate each monitor individually, most of the negative impacts of the room will be removed – is this true? Also, I have done that exact listening curve once but need to do it again in a quieter environment. That will be a very useful bit of info for me at my age, lol.
THANK YOU!![/quote:3ijih8zj]
Yeah use the SPL meter at your listening position at the height your ears will be. Ideally it should be equal distance from each monitor.
The first thing to do is ensure the level of the monitors match… eg. both at say 70dB. Measure this from about 12 inches and measure them individually. Use the volume on the rear to adjust.
The second thing, is the SPL at the listening position, and some masking tape to ‘mark’ your fader or pan that controls the volume to the monitors (unless it’s software controlled) and a pencil.
Make a mark (on the tape) of 0 (zero) at 83dB, then -2 at 81dB, -4 at 79dB, -6 at 77db and so on. If you can’t put -2 then put a mark, and at the -4 mark put – 4, and repeat until there is no room left to leave marks.
All the above are best done when it is a quiet time of day but obviously not to wind up the neighbours.
One way to hear the impact of any treatment in a room is to remove what can easily be removed, and stand in the area you’ll be positioned and do a single clap. Put the articles back in, and repeat the clap. You should be able to hear a difference. Angle those mattresses a little too, if you ain’t already done so.
AdSense 336x280May 18, 2008 at 5:33 pm #649755
avalonandonParticipantOkay Anisina…today is the big day!! Im gonna tackle all this awesome stuff you laid out.
I got a 2- channel, 12 bands each – NIKKO eq set up just before the speakers for calibration. Its an older model but I have hardly used it over the years. I am confused as to why you want the volume levels marked at 2 decibel increments. Just so I know what my db is at any given time? (no other purpose)
Very excited about this man. Last night, I listened to these speakers for only the second time. I cannot believe the difference in sound – it is amazing. I did a re mixing of a song that I mixed on headphones a while back and through these speakers, I am hearing things that I never noticed before on other speakers or headphones alike – in terms of eq. I can see now, directly, why this is so incredibly important to the final product.
Thank you thank you thank you! Ill follow up and report back when Im done.
AdSense 336x280May 20, 2008 at 12:00 am #649809
Def. Con. OneParticipanti must comment.
this is a great thread and intriguing to say the least. im off to buy a meter to check mine and get em sorted. cheers fellas.
AdSense 336x280May 22, 2008 at 2:44 am #649926
anisinaParticipantavalonandon wrote:I am confused as to why you want the volume levels marked at 2 decibel increments. Just so I know what my db is at any given time? (no other purpose)It is just so you can look at where the volume is without looking at the meters. If it sounds loud and you’re at -16 then it is loud. Aiming for somewhere around -8 or more will help you ‘see’ the mix better and encourage dynamics.
Just on a side note, but an important one. If you’re using 24 bit files, don’t go for normalization but a level in the region of -20dBFS > -12dBFS is better. As the noise floor of your sounds in 24 bit are at -144dBFS (16 bit is -96dBFS if I’m right) you can easily afford the extra few dB increase in the mix without getting near to raising the noise floor enough. Your mixes will sound clearer if you keep the whole mix below -12dBFS and allow mastering to take care of any increase in levels. Even in 16 bit no more than -10dBFS is better than 0.
To add, 10 tracks (all playing at the same time at -20dBFS) in a multi-track recording will equate to approximately -10dBFS anyway due to the culmination.
AdSense 336x280May 22, 2008 at 4:34 am #649931
avalonandonParticipantxxx – ooops – see below. I have no idea what i did but I just started over.
AdSense 336x280May 22, 2008 at 4:37 am #649932
avalonandonParticipantanisina wrote:[quote quote="avalonandon":38cqwilu]I am confused as to why you want the volume levels marked at 2 decibel increments. Just so I know what my db is at any given time? (no other purpose)It is just so you can look at where the volume is without looking at the meters. If it sounds loud and you’re at -16 then it is loud. Aiming for somewhere around -8 or more will help you ‘see’ the mix better and encourage dynamics.
Just on a side note, but an important one. If you’re using 24 bit files, don’t go for normalization but a level in the region of -20dBFS > -12dBFS is better. As the noise floor of your sounds in 24 bit are at -144dBFS (16 bit is -96dBFS if I’m right) you can easily afford the extra few dB increase in the mix without getting near to raising the noise floor enough. Your mixes will sound clearer if you keep the whole mix below -12dBFS and allow mastering to take care of any increase in levels. Even in 16 bit no more than -10dBFS is better than 0.
To add, 10 tracks (all playing at the same time at -20dBFS) in a multi-track recording will equate to approximately -10dBFS anyway due to the culmination.[/quote:38cqwilu]
uhhh…okay, lol. It is I who is sitting in a pew at the church of Anisina. I have so much to learn. I am being baptized. Just don’t drown me lol – or give up.
I went to work on all of this the other day and completely got lost. I was expecting to have individual frequencies to evaluate with and instead I got the whole swath of pink noise. I had to stop and I am now stuck.
I will say however, in spite of my inability to follow thru with the calibration, I am still astonished at the clarity and ability to remix things- hearing the amazing clarity and being able to adjust according to the REAL sound. Admittedly, I was scared to get these monitors. I feared that even with "proper" speakers, I wouldn’t be any better off. Not the case. Even without calibration I am in awe of the difference.
I am going to do some more research to understand some of the principles better, in order to get through this. It is no wonder that those who master are usually the true "masters".
Sending you a PM.
AdSense 336x280May 25, 2008 at 12:24 am #650060
avalonandonParticipantI just got my hands on a copy of Bob Katz’s "Mastering Audio – Art and Science"
*drools*
Every single paragraph is rich with info. Fantastic.
AdSense 336x280June 4, 2008 at 12:28 am #650625
anisinaParticipantReplied to your PM mate.

Hope you’re enjoying the Katz Bible.
AdSense 336x280June 4, 2008 at 1:57 am #650629
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="anisina":3qo0yoyv]Replied to your PM mate.

Hope you’re enjoying the Katz Bible.[/quote:3qo0yoyv]
Been on my knees perpetually for two weeks…
cant decide whether I should be praying to God or Katz…or both…
I know my carpet is faced towards L.A. though…
AdSense 336x280June 4, 2008 at 11:42 pm #650684
crockerdAKAliniusParticipanttake a look at the shape and dimensions of your room, then look up about rt60 and standing waves ;), acoustic treatment is a must have, i could sort you out with calculations on your standing waves if i knew the length height and width of ya room! but you learn better doing rather than being told i guess.
but seriously check out standing waves, you may want to think twice when matering and EQ’ing your mixes. and placing monitors
AdSense 336x280June 11, 2008 at 12:46 am #650977
anisinaParticipant[quote quote="avalonandon":1sdb700f][quote quote="anisina":1sdb700f]Replied to your PM mate.

Hope you’re enjoying the Katz Bible.[/quote:1sdb700f]
Been on my knees perpetually for two weeks…
cant decide whether I should be praying to God or Katz…or both…
I know my carpet is faced towards L.A. though…[/quote:1sdb700f]
Now then, stop licking the carpet (or whatever one prefers) and get your monitors calibrated.
You have the Katzy bible, or Qu’ran.Problems with the ports!!!! Stick a sock in it.
AdSense 336x280June 26, 2008 at 6:34 am #652055
avalonandonParticipantOmg folks. I have had my secondary puter fail on me…the one I ran Reason on.
I tried to piece together a second and it didnt work.
Then I revived a laptop and got it all set up…to find the sound ouput jack is screwed…
Oh god.
so now…I am trying to make Rewire work with Audition 3 and it aint happening. Im in constant dialogue with Audition and Propellerhead forum members but we arent getting too far.
Calibrating my monitors is light years ahead of this place Im in. But damnitt!! I shall prevail, lol.
Bit concerned about Juggernaut tho…must say, damn.
AdSense 336x280November 12, 2011 at 7:38 am #689929
PedroMiguelParticipantbob katz manual man
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