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July 27, 2007 at 4:38 am #542253
avalonandonParticipantIve done my share of "experimentation". But over the years, I have learned that it TRULY interferes with my creativity and motivation levels. So I stopped. Knowing that a large majority of our members are under 21, I wanted to post this. I am providing a link to a recent article that I think is worth reading. In addition, I want to add that for people under the age of approximately 23-25, the brain has not completed forming. It has been shown that if you smoke weed before that age, you stand the risk of improper neural formation, leading to life long tendencies of depression, loss of motivation, focus, CREATIVITY and optimism. I didnt smoke the first time until I was 26 , and I myself, have experienced these things. I DO NOT believe the government should be involved in any of this…apart from educating, and I believe we should make our own choices accordingly. But as a musician and artist, nothing is more important to me and you, than the equipment in our skulls. Peace to you and I hope you will think long and hard about this if you are a smoker.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 4:38 am #629864
avalonandonParticipantIve done my share of "experimentation". But over the years, I have learned that it TRULY interferes with my creativity and motivation levels. So I stopped. Knowing that a large majority of our members are under 21, I wanted to post this. I am providing a link to a recent article that I think is worth reading. In addition, I want to add that for people under the age of approximately 23-25, the brain has not completed forming. It has been shown that if you smoke weed before that age, you stand the risk of improper neural formation, leading to life long tendencies of depression, loss of motivation, focus, CREATIVITY and optimism. I didnt smoke the first time until I was 26 , and I myself, have experienced these things. I DO NOT believe the government should be involved in any of this…apart from educating, and I believe we should make our own choices accordingly. But as a musician and artist, nothing is more important to me and you, than the equipment in our skulls. Peace to you and I hope you will think long and hard about this if you are a smoker.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19980923/
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 9:41 am #629876
funkybeatsParticipantThey have known for quite sometime that weed can cause psychosis but mainly in those younger than 18. I know people who has smoked it for years and they are fine, no adverse effects.
I find it strange how we’re all told they don’t know about the long term effects of Cannabis when it’s been in use for over 2,000 years.
I am not really a ganji smoker but I think it should be legalised seeing as coffee does more harm than a good bit of weed. I always laugh when it gets criticised by people who I know that smoke! Smoking is one of the worse drugs we have and that it totally legal yet thousands and thousands of people die every year from it and it’s highly addictive… the Govt. make to much money from it to ban it.
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 11:21 am #629881
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="funkybeats":36y7ouet]They have known for quite sometime that weed can cause psychosis but mainly in those younger than 18. I know people who has smoked it for years and they are fine, no adverse effects.
I find it strange how we’re all told they don’t know about the long term effects of Cannabis when it’s been in use for over 2,000 years.
I am not really a ganji smoker but I think it should be legalised seeing as coffee does more harm than a good bit of weed. I always laugh when it gets criticised by people who I know that smoke! Smoking is one of the worse drugs we have and that it totally legal yet thousands and thousands of people die every year from it and it’s highly addictive… the Govt. make to much money from it to ban it.[/quote:36y7ouet]
lol, you are right about that…and whats more, is that hemp oil is a fantastic bio fuel….hmmmm.
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 2:22 pm #629891
SeanzaParticipantAl be honest, I smoked my 1st joint at the age of 10, I started smoking it regularly at the age of 13 (I’m 20 now)! I’ve only recently came off it (past 5/6 months) and I’m feeling the consequences of long-term weed smoking.
I was fine when I smoked it, but I’ve given my mind a chance to come to terms with what’s goin’ on around me. and I don’t like it.
I’ve had problems, problems which I don’t wanna talk about on here for the whole world to see, and weed has been the root of those problems.
I love the stuff, love the feeling and love the social part too. But I had to look after ME rather than my needs.
So bottom line is, people who say weed doesn’t F you up…you couldn’t be any more far from the truth!
Peace
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 2:24 pm #629892
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="Seanza":35x2d36u]Al be honest, I smoked my 1st joint at the age of 10, I started smoking it regularly at the age of 13 (I’m 20 now)! I’ve only recently came off it (past 5/6 months) and I’m feeling the consequences of long-term weed smoking.
I was fine when I smoked it, but I’ve given my mind a chance to come to terms with what’s goin’ on around me. and I don’t like it.
I’ve had problems, problems which I don’t wanna talk about on here for the whole world to see, and weed has been the root of those problems.
I love the stuff, love the feeling and love the social part too. But I had to look after ME rather than my needs.
So bottom line is, people who say weed doesn’t F you up…you couldn’t be any more far from the truth!
Peace[/quote:35x2d36u]
Thank you so much for posting that dude! That is the kind of thing that needs to be heard.
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 4:28 pm #629900
vice versesParticipant[quote quote="Seanza":3hd3zeec]Al be honest, I smoked my 1st joint at the age of 10, I started smoking it regularly at the age of 13 (I’m 20 now)! I’ve only recently came off it (past 5/6 months) and I’m feeling the consequences of long-term weed smoking.
I was fine when I smoked it, but I’ve given my mind a chance to come to terms with what’s goin’ on around me. and I don’t like it.
I’ve had problems, problems which I don’t wanna talk about on here for the whole world to see, and weed has been the root of those problems.
I love the stuff, love the feeling and love the social part too. But I had to look after ME rather than my needs.
So bottom line is, people who say weed doesn’t F you up…you couldn’t be any more far from the truth!
Peace[/quote:3hd3zeec]
I totally agree with you. im a litlle older and have spent the best part of ten years smoking it. I always thought that weed was the source of what made me creative, and always struggled when i didnt have any to be creative. i havent smoked now in at least 4 months, and u know what, stepping away from it gives u such a revelation that it doesnt do u any good.
The problem with weed smokers is that all too often it is the excuse used for everything. All my firends that do it, and im sure you can associate where im coming from here……
you have a bad day…. so the excuse is to cheer up with a spliff.
you have a good day…. u celebrate with a spliff
your bored…. u need a spliff to entertain u
your busy and stressed ..u need a spliff to get u through itand so on…
thats where the problem i think lies… becuase before u know it, its not just recreational, its there for every emotion and reason of ur day. and for those theat dont think its addictive, then your challenge is to stop every month or so for a few weeks, and then tell me its not!as for the creativity side, i believe done in moderation it probably does help some people, but too much and it really does cloud your judgment.
other than that i think weed / skunk etc these days is filled with all sorts of dodgy shit, and to be honest that bothers me more than the effects of the actual weed.
V.V.
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 5:39 pm #629903
avalonandonParticipantSome really good statements there vice verses. Admittedly, I have to agree as well, that done in moderation, it does lend itself to creativity. But that means maybe once or so a month. But as you said, if its more than that, it truly screws with your head in many ways.
I have been studying and practicing meditation. With practice, I believe it can grow into something that will replace…and improve on that state of mind. People have told me for years that we can achieve these states of consciousness without drugs. I believe them and Im willing to pursue this.
Anybody wanna comment on meditation, altered states and creativity, from experience?
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 10:40 pm #629915
vice versesParticipant[quote quote="avalonandon":2ycn3094]Some really good statements there vice verses. Admittedly, I have to agree as well, that done in moderation, it does lend itself to creativity. But that means maybe once or so a month. But as you said, if its more than that, it truly screws with your head in many ways.
I have been studying and practicing meditation. With practice, I believe it can grow into something that will replace…and improve on that state of mind. People have told me for years that we can achieve these states of consciousness without drugs. I believe them and Im willing to pursue this.
Anybody wanna comment on meditation, altered states and creativity, from experience?[/quote:2ycn3094]
never really looked into that…. maybe u should explain a little more?
am intrigued,V.V.
AdSense 336x280July 27, 2007 at 11:27 pm #629917
avalonandonParticipantWell, its pretty simple…but it takes work to get there. The timelessness and what seems like access to limitless happiness, fulness and CREATIVITY, is accessible to everyone, all the time – without the drugs. In fact, it is argued that the experience we are seeking with drugs is the meditative state that we are all naturally hardwired for, but have mostly forgotten about. Its like the drugs are reaching for that same thing.
The difference is, active, consistent meditation not only gives us that experience (and much much more) but it doesnt leave us in a bad state afterwards – it leaves us more healthy, vibrant and FULFILLED.
It is only hard to learn, because we are so conditioned to think all the time and we dont shut off our minds unless we are going to sleep. But in the deep meditative state, time disappears, self emerges, truth is illuminated and "the collective mind" of the universe begins to open up.
Yeah, I know it sounds strange, but it is as natural for us to be doing this as it is to breathe! We have just lost touch with this ability.
But the practice is becoming very common and there is a world of information out there now, for anyone interested. I would reccomend just going to google.com, and spend some time researching it. Then maybe buy a book or audio book and begin learning it.
I am on the journey myself to learning how to do this, but I can already see its benefits and encourage others to be open to it. ITS REAL!
AdSense 336x280July 28, 2007 at 3:47 am #629918
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="Random Logistics":1ifvunml]Okay i’ve never tried meditation, but after two years off the weed i can say that i can achieve a similar ‘stoned’ feeling from using hypnosis CD’s, (i got one free with a paper) this could only be my personal expreience however.
On the main topic, i feel that weed lends itself to overuse more than other drugs as its fairly cheap and its effects are easier to hide from people than other drugs, also the social side of the weed scene can help people (like me) form dependencies on the stuff without ever really noticing. After years on the stuff it really started to f**k me up, very extreme paranoias, and i’m really glad to be off the stuff now. To be honest its impossible to say wheher or not its had any pemanent effect, as if i hadn’t smoked it who knows how my mind or brain could of developed differently.[/quote:1ifvunml]Wow. This is great guys. Thanks for the input . Im really hoping to have an impact here.
Random, how old are you and when did you start smokin it? Hypnosis is somewhat similar to the meditation. Can you describe a little more about all that?
AdSense 336x280July 28, 2007 at 7:47 am #629926
texasskoolboiParticipantive been reading and to tell you the truth.. those damn research findings that come on the news all the time are bull. too much of anything can be harmful.. Including Weed!.. in order to get the best out of any substance be it the weed or a can of soda .. is to take it in moderation.. now im not telling anyone to go and smoke but if you are doing it .. jus chill out n try to get away from it.
AdSense 336x280July 30, 2007 at 12:08 am #630049
anisinaParticipantThe best feeling I have ever had was because of 3 Reiki sessions. Don’t ask me why, or why I can compare, but it gave me a natural high for at least 3 weeks without having another session. It gave me back the confidence to go and write original stuff again, and get me back to being my ‘Higher Self’ ie. the person I am, both physically and spiritually.
Those 3 weeks was like waking up every morning like I had played the best gig and to the most adoring, appreciative, and knowledgeable crowd of my life.
I have no need for classified drugs.
AdSense 336x280July 30, 2007 at 12:32 am #630050
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="anisina":1bgzu40r]The best feeling I have ever had was because of 3 Reiki sessions. Don’t ask me why, or why I can compare, but it gave me a natural high for at least 3 weeks without having another session. It gave me back the confidence to go and write original stuff again, and get me back to being my ‘Higher Self’ ie. the person I am, both physically and spiritually.
Those 3 weeks was like waking up every morning like I had played the best gig and to the most adoring, appreciative, and knowledgeable crowd of my life.
I have no need for classified drugs.[/quote:1bgzu40r]
Dude, I was sooo hoping for this kind of experiential response!! I have so many materials on meditation that I dont know where to begin. But I know that I have several on Reiki meditation and it was pushed to that back due to not having any clue what it was. I will be reading all of that right away. Thanks
AdSense 336x280July 30, 2007 at 1:00 pm #630080
funkybeatsParticipant[quote quote="avalonandon":1w91g45g]
I have been studying and practicing meditation. With practice, I believe it can grow into something that will replace…and improve on that state of mind. People have told me for years that we can achieve these states of consciousness without drugs. I believe them and Im willing to pursue this.Anybody wanna comment on meditation, altered states and creativity, from experience?[/quote:1w91g45g]
Great post Avalonandon, Have you ever listened to the Dopecast? Max Freakout has his own podcast on there about psychedelics and one he talks about the role of entheogenic experiences and spiritual development. I think it’s about half way thought the podcast.
http://dopecast.libsyn.com/index.php?po … chonautica
I think it’s on Psychonautica11.
AdSense 336x280July 30, 2007 at 3:06 pm #630087
avalonandonParticipantWell, I was hoping to impact some younger members and encourage some real responsible decision making, based on others experiences.
The flip side of that, is the fact that if done RESPONISBLY and with the proper mindset, I am very aware of the role enthogens can play in spirituality, higher consciousness and creativity. I have read alot about this and done quite a bit of "research" you could say. One author in particular I would recommend to anyone interested, is Alex Grey who wrote "The Mission of Art".
But again, I have to emphasize something: The psychedelic experience is available WITHOUT the drugs. The question lies in how willing we as individuals are, to put the time and effort into learning the disciplines necessary to go there.
And this is where I feel, personally, that we should be "evolving" towards – a non-drug induced state of psychedelic awareness and spiritual enlightenment. Truthfully tho, if I had not been there already thru the enthogenic paths, I would doubt its existence. So its a tough subject ya know?
AdSense 336x280July 31, 2007 at 2:02 am #630138
The CutterParticipantThis is a very interesting topic with some helpful and insightful comments.
I am not going to beat around the bush. I have been an avid herbal partaker for over 15 years. I was forced to quit 7 months ago due to my working situation and the fact that I have no other choice than to be a responsible adult. I would rather have a job in order to survive than to smoke a blunt.
During my time as a partaker I have always lived an active, motivated, creative and rich life. I graduated from college and pursued other academic achievements. I’ve participated in many creative endeavors such as playing in numerous bands, remixing music and shooting and editing videos. I spent many hours outdoors doing activities such as surfing, kayaking, bike riding etc. So in some regards I guess the effects of the drugs depends on the person. Don’t get me wrong I did enjoy sitting in front of the t.v. and playing videos games etc but many people do that when they are sober.
It has taken me awhile to adjust to being sober from weed as it were. I do feel that for me it was very helpful in regards to my creativity. I am just now learning how to tap into the creativity that I once had with the use of weed. I know many people who are very creative with it and without it. Again it depends on the person.
The one thing I will say is I like the fact that I am sober on a daily basis but being sober has not affected my motivation or lack there of only my creativity which i am dealing with. It really depends on who you are in my opinion.
I honestly think that weed should be legal and that it is up to the individual as to how they choose to use or not use it. I can think of a lot worse intoxicants such as alcohol which in my opinion is one of the worst things a person can do to themselves. I’ve known too many alcoholics in my time and what’s become of them is very sad.
But that is another topic.
Mr. C. who is now weed free
AdSense 336x280July 31, 2007 at 2:21 pm #630171
CatnipParticipantwell, i tried weed a few years back… didnt like it. i was too drunk to feel anything anyway… the thing is, that alot of artists think that it may help them be creative, theyre always wrong because if you need to consume somesort of a substance inorder to be creative thats plain sad. creativeness feels best on honest heart and a sober mind.
thats just my 2 cents…AdSense 336x280July 31, 2007 at 2:32 pm #630172
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="Catnip":v8l5bnme]well, i tried weed a few years back… didnt like it. i was too drunk to feel anything anyway… the thing is, that alot of artists think that it may help them be creative, theyre always wrong because if you need to consume somesort of a substance inorder to be creative thats plain sad. creativeness feels best on honest heart and a sober mind.
thats just my 2 cents…[/quote:v8l5bnme]Well Id have to say that if you have never been there, you cant possibly know what people are talking about when they say it affects their creativity. Its a whole other experience…a whole different world.
And although I do tend to fall on the side of being drug free…for the sake of my body and mind…I also am acutely aware of the reality of creative insights during the experience. With repeated, frequent usage, the effect is opposite tho. In careful mature moderation…its a great tool. But that is hard for a lot of people to do.
AdSense 336x280July 31, 2007 at 4:27 pm #630185
DoctorNoxiousParticipantavalon and seanza are dead on. I’ve smoked everyday for a good 4 or 5 years now, and it by all means squelches my creativity. Extreme pot use can make you feel like you’re completely unequipped. Like the only thing you really know how to do well is chill out and smoke a bowl.
I believe that, in moderation, pot can be a good way to get a different perspective on things, but like many of you have said, few people can take it that easy. If I had known weed would make it harder for me to produce quality music, i never would’ve touched it.AdSense 336x280July 31, 2007 at 8:27 pm #630198
avalonandonParticipantWell, on the flip side, they have just concluded the largest study ever conducted of its kind, that says there is no link with cancer and marijuana.
http://www.thirdeyeconcept.com/forums/i … f&page=133
AdSense 336x280July 31, 2007 at 9:39 pm #630201
avalonandonParticipant[quote quote="Random Logistics":5rmzwssj]I cant believe i didn’t even mention creativity in my last post, i should pay more attention. I blame the weed

I can remeber being about 16 listening stoned to a chemical brothers album i had heard many times before, and suddenly noticing how all the parts fitted together, even noticing parts in the songs that i hadn’t heard before. Thinking back on this, its possible that i would have never developed an interest in music production had i never smoked marijuana.
However i always felt weed interupted my creativity when trying to write music, either i would spend forever minutely tweaking the reverb on a snare drum or would write something i felt was amzaing when i was wasted and listen the next morning thinking ‘What is this?!?’
Nice to see scientists reckon theres no link between marijuana and cancer, but since i quit weed i’ve been smoking alot more tobacco, typical.[/quote:5rmzwssj]lol…but not lol…
The thing about the creativity is that weed, as does other hallucinogenics, supresses our filters (natural mental process of reducing the incredible, constant bombardment of sensory info that would overwhelm us if we didnt have them)
when this happens, we "see" things we normally would miss…or think of things we normally wouldnt…due to our imaginative process being opened as well.
the problem is that the weed has a simultaneous destructive effect on the thinking process and in excess, begins to have a reverse effect on creativity.
so if the fine line can be walked, right on the edge, maintaining cognitive faculties…and having that temporary filter suppression…(moderation) then I think creativity can be achieved consistently over time.
AdSense 336x280August 7, 2007 at 11:41 pm #630764
avalonandonParticipantElement 115 wrote:u sound like a women…sorry, but no. However I will admit to having lesbian tendencies….
AdSense 336x280August 7, 2007 at 11:41 pm #630765
anisinaParticipantElement 115 wrote:u sound like a womenI can assure you, avalonandon is one person, and not two or more.
AdSense 336x280August 8, 2007 at 10:22 pm #630845
sgallowayParticipantI agree 110percent
AdSense 336x280August 19, 2007 at 10:11 pm #631924
online4ParticipantI quit smokin
AdSense 336x280August 20, 2007 at 12:21 am #631930
jabbampParticipantI have smoked weed and more for over 20 of years on and off ranging from very heavy to light smoking and I believe that I got quite a few things out of it: Depression, anxiety further confusion, a more addictive way of life and a number of friends that in the long run, were just no good for me. It starts off as experiment and just wanting to feel it, to making your life an experiment gone wrong and ‘having’ to feel it.
I would say this about the aid of such substances for things like spirituality, well I say this. Steroids can aid you to a more muscle-bond body more quickly. Does this mean that steroids is the way? Don’t you think that in a way its false muscles? If you think about it, you will find a whole load more such examples.
If deep deep spirituality is your thing, then become a monk, otherwise, search through your curiosity of the bigger picture instead of shrinking your brain (yes, you are loosing brain cells) with drugs.
Smoking does not make you spiritual, it makes you stoned. Did you know that the the only reason that you get stoned from drugs is because you already have the receptors in the brain for the substances? This is because your brain actually contains variations of these substances already. You are in theory just ‘overloading’ these receptors. If one does not have the receptors, one cannot get the feeling from the drugs. There are people like this and also experiments have been done to show this. These people are no less spiritual than any body else.
If you want to take short cuts to places you don’t know, then don’t don’t be surprised to get lost, and expect that getting back on track may take a damn sight longer and means that you have to go back over some horrible places you never wanted to have to return to find the way. Saying later in life "I wished I had listened" will not get you all of your mind back and you will just have to make do.
Those who have not tried drugs, do not think that there is this special thing that you have a chance of reaching by trying this out when the truth of it is that your BRAIN would just be affected by chemicals that have also destroyed little bits of your brain cells.
You know what makes me laugh? Does anyone remember that space dust? It was that sweet stuff that would crackle on your tongue. That was banned outright, but we are still talking about legalising drugs.
AdSense 336x280August 20, 2007 at 12:26 am #631931
SeanzaParticipant[quote quote="anisina":qipr6umi]The best feeling I have ever had was because of 3 Reiki sessions. Don’t ask me why, or why I can compare, but it gave me a natural high for at least 3 weeks without having another session. It gave me back the confidence to go and write original stuff again, and get me back to being my ‘Higher Self’ ie. the person I am, both physically and spiritually.
Those 3 weeks was like waking up every morning like I had played the best gig and to the most adoring, appreciative, and knowledgeable crowd of my life.
I have no need for classified drugs.[/quote:qipr6umi]
This is exactly what I’m looking for, how did you get involved? I loved bein’ high, but now I want it without the health risks!I wanna do what John Lennon did, get high on his own supply (of breathig techniques)

Woooosaaaaaaah!
AdSense 336x280August 20, 2007 at 12:43 am #631936
anisinaParticipantI got asked, from out of nowhere, by my sister (brother-in-laws mum is trained) who asked if I had thought about it (because of health issues) and I hadn’t. I agreed to go and have a session, and the impact was felt in 3-4 days. The most defining one for me was the 3rd session though (6 weeks after the first) which led to me having the job I have now and the revitalisation I still feel. A top-up is good now and again though.
In all seriousness mate, the best way to find one is by ‘word of mouth’ or failing that, have a look in the Yellow Pages.
Here is some in Scotland for you >><<
Just make sure you ask them where they did their training (should be by a Reiki Master) and what you can expect from it. They will tell you what the web says you should expect about Reiki, and only if you have been trained by a Reiki Master can they practice Reiki. There is also 3 levels of training.
AdSense 336x280August 21, 2007 at 5:21 pm #632098
eikcamlloydParticipantGot to agree with the above however drink does the same thing as smoking in the long term but a lot of people dont look at drink as a drug why because its legal
Anything u can get addictive to is a drug wheather its legal or not..
imagin making all class A drug legal would u still take them???
skunk weed is ur problem because of the cemical involved
normal weed is diferent…So if you all say i’ve stopped taking drugs i hope you’ve included cig & drink
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