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March 15, 2007 at 2:29 pm #539088
adamdreyerParticipantMy first post: I have been a fan of Daft Punk for a while, one of the first dancey act I got into and was shocked to find out that the material that I always assumed was entirely original (or something like it) owes a great deal to a number of other artists. I’m not just talking about pinching a certain synth sound or chord progression, but complete theft of riffs. From the point of view of a ‘pella thief it is quite interesting to look at Daft Punk’s philosophy of stealing a riff rather than the vocal line and making something very different out of it.
Check out http://palmsout.blogspot.com/2007/02/sa … -punk.html for a list and mp3 links of the original songs which Daft Punk use as, shall we say, "inspiration". Their album Discovery is the most plagiaristic, and in my opinion artistically (as well as commercially) successful, drawing great influence from quite cheesy 70s and 80s soul and funk. It is the harmonically more complex nature of the riffs of these genres which they use that gave them their distinctive sound which distinguished them from other acts in the genre.
Yet I’m still not sure whether this revelation is a positive or negative one. Are they really great if their music isn’t really theirs? I still see them as creative; it takes a great intelligence to use others riffs in such a bold faced way and still make it sound like Daft Punk, a bit like that rather good Rage cover album Renegades[i:3phbgj52]. But it is a different sort of creativity, one more of a business nous or advertising savvy, than that of a true creative genius that one might ascribe to Mozart or a true pioneer of a genre. Contrastingly Hendrix did do covers and many consider (I know I do) him to be a pioneer.
But I suppose the big question that it comes down to, and the most pressing one for this site, is whether it is the method or the effect that is the most important thing about a song. I.e. Who gives a fuck if you have nicked a riff or two, or a vocal line, if the end result is that of a piece of music that is artistically successful, albeit it in a debt to the original where it comes from. I think the thing that makes a difference is putting your spin on it. Hendrix’s [i]Watchtower[/i:3phbgj52] certainly sounded little like Dylan’s, just as Daft Punk (although sounding closer to the original) alter it in structure and through use of new vocal additions make the original theirs.
I unfortunately have no certain conclusion. This is still something I’m thinking on. The best I’ll ever arrive at is an opinion. If you have any, please do share them. I find this a fascinating topic.
AdSense 336x280March 15, 2007 at 2:29 pm #615796
adamdreyerParticipantMy first post: I have been a fan of Daft Punk for a while, one of the first dancey act I got into and was shocked to find out that the material that I always assumed was entirely original (or something like it) owes a great deal to a number of other artists. I’m not just talking about pinching a certain synth sound or chord progression, but complete theft of riffs. From the point of view of a ‘pella thief it is quite interesting to look at Daft Punk’s philosophy of stealing a riff rather than the vocal line and making something very different out of it.
Check out http://palmsout.blogspot.com/2007/02/sa … -punk.html for a list and mp3 links of the original songs which Daft Punk use as, shall we say, "inspiration". Their album Discovery is the most plagiaristic, and in my opinion artistically (as well as commercially) successful, drawing great influence from quite cheesy 70s and 80s soul and funk. It is the harmonically more complex nature of the riffs of these genres which they use that gave them their distinctive sound which distinguished them from other acts in the genre.
Yet I’m still not sure whether this revelation is a positive or negative one. Are they really great if their music isn’t really theirs? I still see them as creative; it takes a great intelligence to use others riffs in such a bold faced way and still make it sound like Daft Punk, a bit like that rather good Rage cover album Renegades[i:3phbgj52]. But it is a different sort of creativity, one more of a business nous or advertising savvy, than that of a true creative genius that one might ascribe to Mozart or a true pioneer of a genre. Contrastingly Hendrix did do covers and many consider (I know I do) him to be a pioneer.
But I suppose the big question that it comes down to, and the most pressing one for this site, is whether it is the method or the effect that is the most important thing about a song. I.e. Who gives a fuck if you have nicked a riff or two, or a vocal line, if the end result is that of a piece of music that is artistically successful, albeit it in a debt to the original where it comes from. I think the thing that makes a difference is putting your spin on it. Hendrix’s [i]Watchtower[/i:3phbgj52] certainly sounded little like Dylan’s, just as Daft Punk (although sounding closer to the original) alter it in structure and through use of new vocal additions make the original theirs.
I unfortunately have no certain conclusion. This is still something I’m thinking on. The best I’ll ever arrive at is an opinion. If you have any, please do share them. I find this a fascinating topic.
AdSense 336x280March 15, 2007 at 7:48 pm #615822
anothermistyParticipant"every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief"….
AdSense 336x280March 16, 2007 at 3:06 am #615871
Sweet CheesusParticipantRead some of John Oswald’s stuff. You may dig it.
AdSense 336x280March 18, 2007 at 3:56 pm #616064
adamdreyerParticipantI’m with you on that one. Like Shakespeare never really wrote the story of many of his plays, but most consider him to be quite good. Hmmm. My faith in DP been tested, but I still believe in the ‘Punk.
AdSense 336x280March 21, 2007 at 4:21 pm #616380
lewelschParticipanthear and see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJPdVVOmbz4&mod … ed&search=
my 2 CD landed in the garbage
[size size=200:39hsqxdg]DAFT DAFT DAFT[/size:39hsqxdg]
LeWelsch
AdSense 336x280March 24, 2007 at 8:20 pm #616673
yayaParticipanti love daft punk
AdSense 336x280March 30, 2007 at 6:05 pm #617170
2GSParticipantDJ Shadow himself said his creativity comes in the process and that guy brought up instrumental hip-hop to the masses like Daft Punk brought french house to the masses. It’s real and authentic, just in a different way.
To use an analog, I wouldn’t call a decoupage artist a plagiarist even though decoupage often involves taking images that existed prior to the piece. It still takes creativity to rearrange your materials, technique to make it aesthetically appealing, and work to get the damn thing done. A boot, mash, or sample piece is no different.What has Guy-Manuel de Homem Christo been up to lately? People tend to give Tom Bangalter all the credit for the french house revival, even though Alan Braxe has been more prolific as of late.
AdSense 336x280April 10, 2007 at 3:44 pm #618275
spamuelplzParticipantstill have to give them props for making songs that many people would have never heard huge worldwide hits. plus the way they drop that stuff live is amazing
AdSense 336x280April 13, 2007 at 11:40 am #618585
guzieParticipantyeah, well you can list daft punk under the very long list of "people who have sampled stuff that’s been around before"… This list is very long
But they also belong to 2 other lists: "french dudes" and "makers of catchy songs"AdSense 336x280 -
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