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July 29, 2006 at 1:41 pm #534781
WiperParticipantOk, it’s a well known fact that combining 2 or more basses will hit each other on a certain freq, thus producing an annoying noise (rumble).
I found some stuff on bass mixing, pointing to some exact freq.s to be cut, but it wasn’t explaining the whole thing too much…
So i ask you:
How do i know – where to cut?
Are there any usual suspects, or do i have to get my self an external spectogram (or an expensive subwoofer)?Any ideas?
AdSense 336x280July 29, 2006 at 1:41 pm #595020
WiperParticipantOk, it’s a well known fact that combining 2 or more basses will hit each other on a certain freq, thus producing an annoying noise (rumble).
I found some stuff on bass mixing, pointing to some exact freq.s to be cut, but it wasn’t explaining the whole thing too much…
So i ask you:
How do i know – where to cut?
Are there any usual suspects, or do i have to get my self an external spectogram (or an expensive subwoofer)?Any ideas?
AdSense 336x280July 29, 2006 at 2:11 pm #595022
tim.gosdenParticipantmake sure you high pass them at around 30hz to remove any sub harmonic rumbles!
AdSense 336x280July 29, 2006 at 2:36 pm #595023
The CutterParticipantWiper it all depends on the sound you are going for. What you refer to as rumble I refer to as muddy. It can be difficult to mix multiple basses so the best thing to do is a lot of research and experimentation. The more info you get on the subject the more options you will have in regards to this.
When I am in the studio I usually record two tracks for a single bass. In this case I record one track with a mic on the amp and the second track with a direct box. The miked track I use for the low end of the freq spectrum and with the D box I usually use it for a middle to upper freq spectrum as far as the bass is concerened. When you get into multiple bass instruments on a track you kind of have to decide which is going to be in the lower bass freq range and which is in the higher bass freq range. I can’t give you an exact freq for this because it varies by the bass instrument and how many are involved.
Also this is where compression(not alot mind you, use very little compression), panning and especially arrangemet is important. You might decide two play only chords with one bass and rhythm with the other. Use of octaves and even effects(chorus, minor verb, etc) can help it to breath. Try scooping one frequency madly for each bass and varying the frequency you scoop for each bass, so the basses don’t oversaturate the frequency range. When dealing with synthized instruments you can always mess with the wave response as well( i.e. sine, saw etc). You also might want to experiment with the attack, sustain, decay and release of the sounds as well. You could also try stacking multiple filters per bass or even add a little distortion to one of the bass instruments.
It really just comes down to experimentation and your ear. I know engineers who have been recording music for over 30 years and even they tell me there is no one all be all when it comes to mixing multples of the same instrument. It’s always a case by case basis.
Have a nice day,
Mr. C.
AdSense 336x280July 29, 2006 at 2:39 pm #595024
tim.gosdenParticipantGot it in one!
Not sure why I even bothered posting!

Tim.
AdSense 336x280July 29, 2006 at 4:00 pm #595030
In SilicoParticipantThere are key combinations and special keys that can cause resonance in many objects and with other frequencies as well.
If you have two signals with the same frequency, out of phase, it can produce a strange LFO effect.
I also find that my D2 key with a nice sine wave bass tends to resonate my windows in my studio, so I have to duct tape the edges so they don’t rattle.
-R
AdSense 336x280July 29, 2006 at 4:21 pm #595033
The CutterParticipantIn Silico wrote:I also find that my D2 key with a nice sine wave bass tends to resonate my windows in my studio, so I have to duct tape the edges so they don’t rattle.Nice….. now that’s what I call some serious WUB.
AdSense 336x280August 1, 2006 at 4:47 pm #595334
WiperParticipantDAMN IT! That means i’ll have to buy some good monitors…

While on the subject, do you ppl use a sub-woofer while producing or not…?
Thnx. cutter!
AdSense 336x280August 1, 2006 at 9:46 pm #595356
The CutterParticipant[quote quote="Wiper":ke7bmg1q]DAMN IT! That means i’ll have to buy some good monitors…

While on the subject, do you ppl use a sub-woofer while producing or not…?
Thnx. cutter![/quote:ke7bmg1q]
It never hurts to have a pair of good monitors or at least monitors that your ear is already used too. I mainly track when in the studio I usually leave the mixing to somebody else but I am always in the room when mix down is in progress. We always use multiple monitors when in the fine tuning stages of the mix. It’s nice to have more than one reference.
As far as using a sub woofer, When I’m at home I use one but I will turn it off when I get to the final mix down then I turn it on then off then on. Again it is another means of reference especially for the low frequencies. But you don’t have to use one. Some people tell me not to but how else am I gonna find out how low I can go.
Mr. C.
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