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June 20, 2007 at 10:16 am #541605
LP2ParticipantHi everybody !
I joined this site cause i was really interested in making my own accapellas, because most of the songs i always would love to remix weren’t released on 12’s. So this site was golden to me !
Then i read all the Do It Yourself topics, studied and experiment all the different techniques, installed all the programmes and plug-ins…but at the end of the day nuthin works !!!
When i use the Noise reduction technique in Audacity, that reduces only a lil beat the drums and the bass. And that’s it !
I think the technique that works the best is the phase invert ! But even with this one, that reduces a lot but u can still clearly hear the instrumental in the background, sounds just like a phasing. And the voice also sounds metallic and closed.
I also tried the knockout tip, then the instrumental is really removed but the voice is really destroyed ! and as soon as i play with the faders, i can make the voice clear but then again, i can hear the beat way too much.
I mostly take the instrumentals from the same vynil records than the vocal tracks. And i could see that when i put two peaks the same position, then one second after in the song the peaks of the vocal track and the beat don’t match anymore ( even when the pitch on the turntable stayed on 0 ). I guess the playing rotation is just not that precise…Anyway my question is : Could i have a tip from someone who extracts accapellas from vynil records, and then which program should i use between Cubase, Audacity, Adobe Audition, should i use or not the Knockout plug-in??
Sorry, that’s a lot of questions
But Help me !!!Thanks y’all
AdSense 336x280June 20, 2007 at 10:16 am #626136
LP2ParticipantHi everybody !
I joined this site cause i was really interested in making my own accapellas, because most of the songs i always would love to remix weren’t released on 12’s. So this site was golden to me !
Then i read all the Do It Yourself topics, studied and experiment all the different techniques, installed all the programmes and plug-ins…but at the end of the day nuthin works !!!
When i use the Noise reduction technique in Audacity, that reduces only a lil beat the drums and the bass. And that’s it !
I think the technique that works the best is the phase invert ! But even with this one, that reduces a lot but u can still clearly hear the instrumental in the background, sounds just like a phasing. And the voice also sounds metallic and closed.
I also tried the knockout tip, then the instrumental is really removed but the voice is really destroyed ! and as soon as i play with the faders, i can make the voice clear but then again, i can hear the beat way too much.
I mostly take the instrumentals from the same vynil records than the vocal tracks. And i could see that when i put two peaks the same position, then one second after in the song the peaks of the vocal track and the beat don’t match anymore ( even when the pitch on the turntable stayed on 0 ). I guess the playing rotation is just not that precise…Anyway my question is : Could i have a tip from someone who extracts accapellas from vynil records, and then which program should i use between Cubase, Audacity, Adobe Audition, should i use or not the Knockout plug-in??
Sorry, that’s a lot of questions
But Help me !!!Thanks y’all
AdSense 336x280June 28, 2007 at 9:50 am #627339
perabdulParticipantwhen you’re taking the songs off of vinyl, what are you saving them to your computer as? mp3? wav?
AdSense 336x280June 30, 2007 at 12:16 pm #627578
LP2ParticipantThanks fo your answers
I save the songs as .wav format all the time, and i don’t use acidPro. I record ll in SOundforge and edit/multitrack it in either Cubase, or Audition.
AdSense 336x280February 19, 2008 at 12:13 am #643642
J035u5Participantperabdul wrote:when you’re taking the songs off of vinyl, what are you saving them to your computer as? mp3? wav?What relevance does that have?
Surely it should work exactly the same? I’ve never ripped vinyl, but I assume you record it in real time then save it as an audio file which you could do exactly the same things to as you could a track that came from a CD. Am I wrong?AdSense 336x280February 19, 2008 at 1:10 am #643654
rockinfreakpotomousParticipantThe question about the format the vinyl rips are saved as is not outlandish. If they were saving them as 128kb mp3s vs. wavs, you would see a dramatic difference when it comes to editing them. A wav has far more sound information to work with, so all types of filtration work on a more accurate level. You should always try to work with as close to a lossless file format initially as possible. Once you have put the work in, you can save it down to a lossy format for storage.
AdSense 336x280February 19, 2008 at 1:17 am #643660
J035u5Participantbut so far as it goes for editing out the vocals, surely the number of samples makes no odds so long as all the audio you’re working with is the same bitrate (for the phase cancellation method anyway). All that you’ll end up with is a different quality of sound. Sure dealing with .wav files is the best case scenario, i just dont see what it has to do with his question at all
AdSense 336x280February 19, 2008 at 2:17 pm #643696
ChunkyEatsMyDinnerParticipantYour fighting a loosing battle using tracks from vinyl for the phase cancellation method.
The audio quality of a track on a vinyl decreases slightly as the needle approaches the center of the vinyl.
This is because the record is traveling past the needle faster on the outer edge than in the middle or center.
Also, its likely the main version will have been played more than the instrumental which will have worn the grooves slightly more.Ive found its simply a case of trial and error.
Even if the tracks are from the same original cd it is likely the main version is mastered louder than the instrumental.AdSense 336x280 -
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