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September 13, 2007 at 8:48 pm #542908
DJSH4KESParticipantI really want to have a shot at making my own acapellas and then being able to upload them on here so I can get more credits lol I have Sony Acid 6 and I’m just trialling the song by Timbaland – Give It To Me. Seeing as I had the original track and a copy of the instrumentals I thought I would try and make an acapella to see how it worked out. I’ve lined the tracks up perfectly so the song sounds no different. Now what do I do? How do I reverse it to cancel it out? Someone help me! lol I really wanna understand how people do it because I get ideas for mixes everyday but I never have the acapellas to make them so this sort of knowledge will work miracles!
AdSense 336x280September 13, 2007 at 8:48 pm #633607
DJSH4KESParticipantI really want to have a shot at making my own acapellas and then being able to upload them on here so I can get more credits lol I have Sony Acid 6 and I’m just trialling the song by Timbaland – Give It To Me. Seeing as I had the original track and a copy of the instrumentals I thought I would try and make an acapella to see how it worked out. I’ve lined the tracks up perfectly so the song sounds no different. Now what do I do? How do I reverse it to cancel it out? Someone help me! lol I really wanna understand how people do it because I get ideas for mixes everyday but I never have the acapellas to make them so this sort of knowledge will work miracles!
AdSense 336x280November 11, 2007 at 10:56 pm #636950
ThaEmbacyParticipantu invert the tracks
i have soundforge n invert is under process at the topAdSense 336x280November 16, 2007 at 4:03 pm #637270
djshadesukParticipantTo get acceptable results from phase cancellation you need to have two almost identical quality tracks… one that has the vocals and the other the instrumental. The only track you need to work with at this point is the instrumental, which will be the track you invert.
Please note that inverting a sample is very different to reversing a sample. Inverting a stereo sample flips each channels waveform upside down where as reversing a sample… Well, I’m sure you can figure that one out!
For the sake of clarity the ‘illustrations’ below will be displayed as a single (mono) waveform. The principles for each channel of stereo sample are exactly the same.
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Waveform before inversion:
/\ /\ /\ /\ /\
/ \ / \ / \ / \ / \
/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \Waveform after inversion:
\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /
\ / \ / \ / \ / \ /
\/ \/ \/ \/ \/[/code:11fr8h17]
As you can see above, peaks in the waveform before inversion become troughs after inversion and troughs before become peaks after.
To avoid confusion it is also worth noting that the inversion process does not flip the waveform as a whole. To do so would indeed invert each channels waveform but it would also swap the left and right channels which would prevent the phase cancellation from working. Inversion treats each channel independently… The left channel stays as the left channel but is flipped upside down, like-wise the right channel stays as the right channel but is also flipped upside down.
So, now I’ve explained a little bit about the terminology and the differences between these terms, so you (hopefully!) understand whats happening, you can go ahead an invert the instrumental only.
Different software may each call the process of inverting a waveform something different but for now we’ll assume that you know ‘what’ the inversion function is called for the software you use. For example in SoundForge it is actually called "Invert/Flip" and is located at Menu -> Process -> Invert/Flip.
So now you should have an inverted version of the instrumental which means its time to combine the inverted instrumental and the original vocal track.
How you do this depends upon the software that you use. In some software you have to mix the two tracks together to hear the results of the phase cancellation and in others you can create layers (which when played together create the same effect as having mixed the two tracks). In practical terms a sample editor that can use layers is more flexible as you can move the alignment of the two tracks backwards or forwards until you achieve the optimal phase cancellation results. Software in which you have to mix the two samples together before you hear the results requires a bit of trial and error but the use of ‘markers’ (if your program has them) can make the aligning process a little less fraught.
Now you should have something that resembles an acapella but you may find that some frequencies haven’t been cancelled out perfectly… for example some elements of the bass may be left behind. If you’re lucky you can EQ those rogue frequencies out without affecting the actual vocal element too much. In other cases if the frequencies that have ‘escaped the net’ are around the same as the vocal it will not be possible to EQ out the rogue frenquencies and you may not be able to use the acapella… unless you find some way to either mask them or incorporate them into whatever you intend to use them for!
Hope that all helps guys!
Shades
AdSense 336x280November 16, 2007 at 7:58 pm #637279
skyhorseParticipantCheers Shades. New to acapellas & gratefull for the detailed understandable post! Should be V.Helpfull.
Skyhorse
AdSense 336x280November 25, 2007 at 8:41 am #637717
mixer04Participantone question…why were you trying give it to me when the acapella was available (cd quality btw) when you started.
AdSense 336x280November 25, 2007 at 2:39 pm #637734
djshadesukParticipantmixer04 wrote:one question…why were you trying give it to me when the acapella was available (cd quality btw) when you started.DJSH4KES wrote:I have Sony Acid 6 and I’m just trialling the song by Timbaland – Give It To Me. Seeing as I had the original track and a copy of the instrumentals I thought I would try and make an acapella to see how it worked out.AdSense 336x280December 24, 2007 at 5:34 am #640055
JbOyParticipantcool cool man
AdSense 336x280January 13, 2008 at 6:44 pm #641273
mattimeo615ParticipantConceptually, I understand all that has been said here, but I really can’t for the life of me find an effect or a process that will allow me to invert in ACID at all. Do I need to just go ahead and get sound forge, or is there a way to invert tracks in ACID, and if so, does anyone know what it is?
AdSense 336x280January 26, 2008 at 8:59 am #642064
DJSH4KESParticipantI’m pretty sure there’s no way you can make an acapella just using Sony ACID alone. I downloaded Sound Forge and inverted tracks so now I’m using ACID to line up the tracks. It works sometimes but I find it’s still quite distorted.
AdSense 336x280February 6, 2008 at 3:35 pm #642828
LuminanceParticipantHere’s a question, I’ve seen a lot of software out there that will remove vocals. If I use that to create my instrumental, will this achieve the desired results or will the quality be severely affected when I do this and thus garble the acapella?
AdSense 336x280February 10, 2008 at 12:50 am #643016
DJSH4KESParticipantdoes it make a difference whether you invert the song before you line them up or not?
AdSense 336x280February 13, 2008 at 1:58 am #643341
LuminanceParticipantHey thanks Nfect. Wishful thinking I guess. It’s tough to find instrumentals for a lot of the tracks I’d like to play with.
AdSense 336x280February 25, 2008 at 11:45 pm #644207
DJGodiaNParticipantNice thanks it works.
AdSense 336x280February 26, 2008 at 10:28 pm #644355
BLENDCHAMPParticipantOctober 11, 2009 at 5:25 am #672775
dliwehtfollacParticipanthow does someone get an identical track without the vocals to do the phase canceling with?….im desperate to get an acapella from the song teenage love by slick rick but i have no idea how to find an instrumental of this song to do that with
AdSense 336x280October 19, 2009 at 8:36 pm #673136
dela312ParticipantIs this the same process with Logic?
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