iPod turntables?

dont bother. ythey arent very good. its good for a laugh but not worth it in the long run/ but if you really want them go to ebay and ypu can get them fairly cheaply

The original version needed 2 ipods and had no pitch controll or pitchbends, so you really couldn’t mix unless all your tunes were at the exact same BPM and you hit play exactly on beat.

The new one uses only one ipod and have pitch bars and pitch bends, so you can actually do proper mixing on it. Haven’t tried one yet though..

Biggest joke of a product i’ve ever seen. We had one in stock for six months and the only people seriously interested in it were 15 yr old girls.

the faders on the first one were so stiff it was like tryin to put one through your nan!

resibo wrote:

I think you can get them on ebay but I do know they sell them at hard to find records.You cant alter the pitch so beat mixing isn’t really an option

yah you can.
IDJ2…go to the numark website n read.
I still don’t recommend them.

kOOL

Juggernaut wrote:

[quote quote="FunkLogik":3bepy688][quote quote="big":3bepy688]As a Dj for over twenty years stuff like this makes me sad. Anyone can be a Dee Jay with stuff like this. Yet you still have to be good at what you do but stuff like this floods the market with fake Dee Jay’s killing our art.

FUKKKING EXACTLY. Show some of these kids a 12" record, and tell them you’re a DJ, and they look at you like YOU’RE the moron. I can promise that I will never own a CDJ, nor will I ever own a Final-Scratch-like system that allows me to play cr*p-quality mp3’s over a loud PA while pretending to manipulate a vinyl record. ;)[/quote:3bepy688]

See now my friend herein lies the problem. If you refuse to adapt yourself to the technological age we are clearly in at the moment, you’ll be left behind with the 8track and original shoddy acetate records that only lasted a good couple of hundred plays before the quality started going.[/quote:3bepy688]

The problem I have is not so much with CD’s. The problem I have is with MP3’s burned onto CD’s by wannabe sh!thead so-called "DJ’s" who downloaded a few hundred songs off of LimeWire, and are now trying to GET PAID to play music that they didn’t pay the original artists for. I know this has become RAMPANT in the "DJ" world from my long experience working at both Sam Ash and Guitar Center. These skinny, snot-nosed, baggy-pantsed "thug" DJ’s come in the store ALL THE TIME actually *bragging* about all of the music they stole off LimeWire and other networks, and how they now need CDJ’s so they can "make them papers" with the music they stole.

That nonsense may fly in the commercial rap world, but for independent electronic dance music (EDM) artists and producers, it’s scene-suicide. If these guys don’t make any money from record sales, they stop making music.

Also, any sound engineer will tell you that the bitrate of MP3 is NOT SUITABLE for large dance venues’ sound systems. When you take that 190kbps MP3, in all of it’s over-compressed glory, and play it on a 60,000 watt PA system, and then play an "actual" CD or vinyl, and then compare the two, the sound quality drop off is *REALLY* evident. MP3’s are fine for your iPod or your car stereo, but when it comes to serious club-level amplification, they are sonically inferior.

[quote:3bepy688]Whilst i’m 100% against ipod ‘turntables’. the hybrid’s numark have out at the moment (an onboard hard drive AND cd player and i think a turntable all in one). I won’t be buying one for a few years to come but i’m not turning my nose up to it.

If you still have the money to buy shed loads of vinyl weekly/monthly/yearly and are a working DJ and can still be bothered to take all those record bags to gig’s then props to you. But don’t be pissed off when bigger DJ’s come in with one cd case that contains up to 10 times more music than you can carry at any given time.[/quote:3bepy688]

How much damn music does a DJ *really* need for ONE NIGHT’S worth of time? I hear this argument ALL THE TIME from CD jocks. Hell, for me, digging through crates at my house before a gig and picking my music for the night is half the fun!!! Holding an *actual* record in my hand, anticipating how it’s going to be recieved that night, whether it’s gonna be a floor banger or not, etc…

2 cases of vinyl = 160 records
2 tracks per vinyl = 320 different songs
Average song length = 4 minutes (mixing time included)
320 x 4 = 1,280 MINUTES worth of music
1,280 minutes / 60 minutes per hour = 21 HOURS of music!!!!!!

How long of a set are we playing here? I will give you the fact that carrying record cases is indeed more cumbersome and inconvenient than carrying CD’s, but again, the way I see it, that’s part of the gig. As far as a "bigger DJ coming along", I can guarantee that it will have everything to do with how GOOD a DJ he is, and will have NOTHING to do with whether he plays CD’s or not.

It’s not that I’m *totally* against CD’s. I will probably one day end up putting a foot in my mouth and end up buying a CDJ-1000 in the future. But I can promise it will only be used to play original tracks/promo’s that I can’t get on vinyl. If the vinyl is available for me to BUY it and support the local artists, then that’s what I’m gonna do.

Could I simply burn vinyls to CD’s and carry those with me? Sure. But the problem with that is that, IMO, it literally takes all the fun out of DJ’ing. There’s just something about the feel, tactile response, and sound characteristic that the vinyl medium offers that simply can not be duplicated on CD’s.

[quote:3bepy688]Do a bit of both, vinyl and cd’s work well together and to a certain extent laptops but they kill the communication aspect of dj’ing and if your PC does a blue screen in the middle of a set you’re pretty screwed and would have to rely on cd’s or vinyl at the end of the day…[/quote:3bepy688]

Right on.

At the end of the day, I’m just not ready to put my DJ performances in the hands of Bill Gates or even Apple for that matter.

hmm what about SSL or FS? Or a cd player?

I think its better than this ipod sh…

And you have a real feeling.

But theres another alternative!
When you have traktor dj studio 3 you can use the KDJ 500 console! Its great i heard.

the stanton final scratch could work similarly… but prob better

I noticed the talk above about cds and vinyls, i have been djing since i was 13 (im 21) so not that long, the thing i noticed is if you want to make a quality track that has a nice vibe to it and gives a unique sound, vinyl is the way to go, i disagree with the mp3 mixing, the quality is ok when you are at home or in your car, but in a large venue its not so great. If you plan on using cd’s please burn .wav files, nearly studio quality, i suggest buying the cds you need from the artists you want and ripping the tracks you want on your computer as .wav files, that way you have a quality sounding cd with various artists to use for your mixes, However i strongly believe in free distribution of everything -to a certain extent- i believe cds should be free, or cheaply purchased. i do use a p2p to look up songs and i like older versions of Dj Screw(rip) songs, i download these freefully because they are not readily available in any market for purchase, some websites offer the cds for sale but the guy is dead and i dont feel he will be recieving much of the income off of the sales. I also believe in free software programs.
The artists themselves, nor the record labels, nor the software engineers are going to stop making music because sales have dropped, if you forget this was the big scare when cassette tapes came out, artists feared that the music would be copied from the radio and couldnt be purchased, well crying baby, gotta go, nice rant though i belive

yeah they are good but nothing beats turntables

After drifting off the original issue if we sift through the points made I think the bigger issue here comes down to whack ass DJs who have no sense of sound quality nor respect for the artists they’re spinning getting paid to do what more talented and knowledgeable DJs should be getting paid for. One thing that did strike me is that it is very true that many so-called digital DJs spin MP3s off their laptops or CDs at real shitty bitrates so they compensate crap quality with loudness. The every day party-goer may not be able to tell the difference but why dispense lower quality product when you know better can be delivered? This is the split because those true to the artform know it is their OBLIGATION to provide the best listening experience possible to the crowd. The issue is not technology but more of who really wants to DJ because they love this and who really wants to DJ just to get paid? I wholeheartedly agree that a lot of the art can be lost in the technology but as long as the DJ makes an effort to create a rich environment (sonically speaking) then medium does not matter (e.g. watercolor versus acrylic paint). If the DJ is well-intentioned and wants to deliver a top notch experience then the tools do not matter. Some bastard playing his P2P collection at a club does not deserve the same compensation and/or respect.