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August 3, 2008 at 1:45 am #546784
lobbin-BParticipantgood info. thanks!
AdSense 336x280August 3, 2008 at 1:45 am #654491
lobbin-BParticipantHow do they separate instruments from a track or an extract an acapella without having the instrumental?
Are their really advanced equipment they use?
A perfect example would be Kanye west’s "Champion"…
I heard the original track and the portion he sampled sounded the same
on his version, I mean the instruments playing were the same also.
But on his song, he changed the beat…I want to know how he manipulated the synthesizers…
AdSense 336x280August 3, 2008 at 1:49 am #654492
matmoo_kParticipantchances are kanye has access to master DAT tapes……..thats all i can think of.
either that or he has some friends in high places……….like some CSI stuff goin’ on
AdSense 336x280August 3, 2008 at 1:40 pm #654521
ThaEmbacyParticipanthe recorded the song
he produced the beat
he has both the acapella n the instruemntal -.-
AdSense 336x280August 3, 2008 at 7:51 pm #654540
lobbin-BParticipantI’m thinking maybe professional producers request acapellas and/or instrumentals directly from the actual artist that their sampling…?
AdSense 336x280August 3, 2008 at 10:26 pm #654547
ChunkyEatsMyDinnerParticipantOf course they do, if someone like Kanye, Jay-Z etc does a remix, there is a very
good chance the song is going to make money.
Its simple business for the copyright owner to give them what ever they can.
Remember, these are the guys who get asked and get paid to remix tracks.A good example would be Norman Cook asking ‘Cornershop’ if he could remix
Brimful of Asha.
"Sorry, we have no money to pay you was their reply’!
The band barely touched the UK top 100 charts before that but got a #1 just for
sending the bits to Fatboy.
Made a load of cash, sold albums, had a few top 50 singles afterwards etc.Unknown remixers and producers are bad business, even if they make a slamming
remix it needs to get signed, it may sample other material, because the artist is
unknown the commercial radio stations wont have the incentive to promote the track
in return for interviews etc.
For these reasons, even if the copyright owner does take the time on such a long
shot, it could be years before the track actually makes them any money.
And then theres the worry of an unknown artist leaking the parts and not even
having any money to give if legal action is taken.AdSense 336x280August 5, 2008 at 6:42 am #654654
pepereloadedParticipantyes, i think that these producer request audio tracks to the original producers.
with the audio tracks, they can select what he need, and reject unnecessary.
bye !AdSense 336x280August 17, 2008 at 12:40 pm #655397
Dai0Participantsure, they request for producers,
and sometimes producers ask for remix of that track and give a files to remixer or artist which they think can do some nice tuningAdSense 336x280September 19, 2008 at 10:56 am #656746
Dai0Participanti dont think wirtual dj can do something like that, that software is for live mixing, not for editing audio…
AdSense 336x280September 19, 2008 at 4:58 pm #656754
DJPOTSParticipanti seen a dvd where kanye released a couple of his sampling secrets… alot of times, he hires professional musicians or singers to recreate what it is he needs sampled, enabling him to work freely with tha recreated vocals or instruments as if they were the original song..and alot of times they sound nearly identical. then he puts his magic on it and after the beat is finished, you would never know if it was the real song that was sampled or a recreation….and other than that, he does it just like all of us other producers do, use a gang of plugins until we get the original track to sound how we want it so we can use it in a beat
AdSense 336x280September 20, 2008 at 5:33 pm #656790
lobbin-BParticipantDJPOTS wrote:i seen a dvd where kanye released a couple of his sampling secrets… alot of times, he hires professional musicians or singers to recreate what it is he needs sampled, enabling him to work freely with tha recreated vocals or instruments as if they were the original song..and alot of times they sound nearly identical. then he puts his magic on it and after the beat is finished, you would never know if it was the real song that was sampled or a recreation….and other than that, he does it just like all of us other producers do, use a gang of plugins until we get the original track to sound how we want it so we can use it in a beatwow….i didn’t know that…
if you don’t mind me asking..
what was the name of the dvd?AdSense 336x280November 18, 2008 at 4:53 am #659643
DaveTParticipantYep, it’s all been said really..
The only way to get the original parts is if you have access to the stems or multi-track. You will only ever get this from the record label unless you know a sneaky sound engineer or a have a mate that’s a teaboy in a big studio.
Replaying parts is the best way forward and very easy these days with the plethora of virtual instruments and plug-ins at your disposal.
There are even companies that specialize in exactly this field and are used by the major labels whenever they have trouble clearing a sample. They don’t charge much and some of the replays I’ve heard are so close to the original you’d have to play them side by side to notice any subtle differences.
You can replay anything without permission and unless the original writer objects you just hand over the publishing to them. If you’re published yourself you can get your publisher to strike up a deal for a share of the writing but it really depends on who you are (as an artist), how good / big your publisher is, what record label it will be released on and, of course, how much of an arse the original writer or their publisher wants to be. I’ve only ever heard of one case where the original writer kicked off and wouldn’t allow a replay and that was Oasis with a Freestylers track.
Sampling is a very different kettle of fish. If you sample and release on any reputable record label without clearance you will have already singed a contract stating that you are responsible for any copyright infringements that may occur, so don’t think they’ll come running after your label boss, it’ll be you their legal team will hunt down, and chances are, if your record is a hit they’ll sue you for all of the publishing at best, or at worst take out an injunction on your record which means that every single copy will have to be recalled and your record label will charge you for any costs incurred.
Saying that though, the income derived from music sales is nothing compared to what it used to be and most people these days are just happy to get a slice of the ever decreasing pie.
😉
AdSense 336x280November 25, 2008 at 11:42 pm #659864
MaJikX01ParticipantDaveT wrote:Replaying parts is the best way forward…There are even companies that specialize in exactly this field…some of the replays I’ve heard are so close to the original you’d have to play them side by side to notice any subtle differences.I would recommend Scorccio.com as the the best place to get a sample recreation /sample replay. Their replays are absolutely incredible sounding. Considering it must be hard work to produce a replay that really sounds like it was made back in whenever, I often wonder if they’ve got some kind of secret time machine! check out their "replay audio" page [url:3uk1immj]http://www.scorccio.com[/url:3uk1immj], you’ll be amazed. Nice recreated vocals too (I’d love to get my hands on some of those vocals!).
AdSense 336x280December 2, 2008 at 4:30 pm #660066
t-002×88Participantjust buying it
AdSense 336x280December 6, 2008 at 8:34 am #660286
MAXMILLIONAIREParticipant[quote quote="lobbin-B":1cidb5b8]How do they separate instruments from a track or an extract an acapella without having the instrumental?
Are their really advanced equipment they use?
A perfect example would be Kanye west’s "Champion"…
I heard the original track and the portion he sampled sounded the same
on his version, I mean the instruments playing were the same also.
But on his song, he changed the beat…I want to know how he manipulated the synthesizers…[/quote:1cidb5b8]most producers acheive this by utilizing the multitrack versions of the original tracks (which are kinda hard to come by , though i own a few).. with all this new tech out i’m sure they are other ways too., but that is the most common.
AdSense 336x280January 1, 2009 at 8:46 pm #661792
KTDJServicesParticipantmade sped
AdSense 336x280January 6, 2009 at 4:32 am #662062
dslamParticipantArtists usually don’t get original masters to separate instruments unless your being paid to create a remix album (ex. Madlib and bluenote records) or you get lucky. You don’t need too. All it is, is chopping up a sample and piecing the parts you want together. J dilla was one of the best at.
AdSense 336x280December 1, 2011 at 5:28 am #690235
DjMachtivaParticipantNo requests please
AdSense 336x280June 25, 2012 at 6:52 am #693455
bldngblckParticipantgood info. thanks!
AdSense 336x280July 28, 2012 at 11:20 am #694014
MC240384ParticipantPhase inverting
AdSense 336x280October 22, 2012 at 7:20 am #695169
marksidraParticipantI’ve always wondered how they did it!
AdSense 336x280January 30, 2013 at 3:41 pm #696666
egementoprakParticipantvery helpfull info guys thanks
AdSense 336x280March 12, 2013 at 5:31 am #697342
paradoxauParticipantHAVE PROFESSIONAL INSTRUMENTALIST’S COME AND PLAY OVER THE TOP.
Kanye had a entire string section play in one of those joints.
And when you sampling, often i will take the same 2 bars maybe 8 different times in order to create a 2 bar loop without something unwanted in it.
AdSense 336x280March 12, 2013 at 5:36 am #697343
paradoxauParticipantie, get creative
AdSense 336x280March 12, 2013 at 5:52 am #697344
paradoxauParticipantnahmean
AdSense 336x280September 2, 2013 at 12:32 pm #700090
vsopmaniaParticipantthey probably get the vinyl with the acapella or master stems sent to them.Vinyl singles are still being pressed.
AdSense 336x280April 26, 2014 at 2:01 am #702530
BTVNNNParticipantIt’s 100% that they get them from the owners.
AdSense 336x280September 20, 2014 at 12:56 am #703365
yotitosanParticipantinversion conversion, it usually sounds like crap
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