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hey, Val
there's 2 types of copyright - performance (or master recording) & mechanical.
performance copyright covers an actual recording of a track.
mechanical copyright covers the composition (words/music).
so getting someone else to sing the track avoids performance copyright but will infringe mechanical copyright.
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Does anyone know where we stand should we use the lyrics of an established artists with our own vocalists?
i.e. Say I've found a vocalist and I wanted her to sing the lyirics of Lisa Stansfield's - This is the right time. Do we have to get permission from Lisa's agents/record labels or can we use the lyrics and just mention on the sleeve Lyrics By: Lisa Stansfield Vocals By: DJ Val.
It would be really great if we can use the lyrics as I think I've found two vacalists to do the vocals on some of my tracks.
Take care
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From what i understand, you can get a vocalist to sing any song you desire, as long as you write your own music, because this then becomes a cover version. So long as the persons who are responsible for the song (lyrics & music) are credited in the sleeve and are able to receive payment by royalties everything should be fine, because they are getting money from a 'new market' which they otherwise won't have. Thats what I understand to be true from what i have read from many sources. It's also considered to be a 'nice' gesture to ask the Publishing Company, the Record Company, and the Artist's Agent beforehand, but that does'nt matter as much as using an 'original'.
A good example could be the LMC vs U2 'Take Me to The Clouds Above' released by AATW. AATW (All Around The World) record company wanted to use Whitney's original 'acapella' but she or her publisher refused. So, AATW found as good a sound-a-like as possible, and because U2 had already said yes to the 'endless guitar sample' anyway, there was nothing stoping the release, apart from sorting out the usual publishing thing.
A tip from a book I read though, if you use an 'original acapella' try to buy the licence or get an agreement for any future royalties to it before you release the song, because if it gets to number 1, the people (not generally the artist) who did the original will more than likely want every penny they can get.
Hope that helps, and everybody, don't forget to mention acapellas4u.co.uk on the sleeve.  |
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Hope that helps, and everybody, don't forget to mention acapellas4u.co.uk on the sleeve. |
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| anisina wrote: |
| DJ Val wrote: |
Does anyone know where we stand should we use the lyrics of an established artists with our own vocalists?
i.e. Say I've found a vocalist and I wanted her to sing the lyirics of Lisa Stansfield's - This is the right time. Do we have to get permission from Lisa's agents/record labels or can we use the lyrics and just mention on the sleeve Lyrics By: Lisa Stansfield Vocals By: DJ Val.
It would be really great if we can use the lyrics as I think I've found two vacalists to do the vocals on some of my tracks.
Take care
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From what i understand, you can get a vocalist to sing any song you desire, as long as you write your own music, because this then becomes a cover version. So long as the persons who are responsible for the song (lyrics & music) are credited in the sleeve and are able to receive payment by royalties everything should be fine, because they are getting money from a 'new market' which they otherwise won't have. Thats what I understand to be true from what i have read from many sources. It's also considered to be a 'nice' gesture to ask the Publishing Company, the Record Company, and the Artist's Agent beforehand, but that does'nt matter as much as using an 'original'.
A good example could be the LMC vs U2 'Take Me to The Clouds Above' released by AATW. AATW (All Around The World) record company wanted to use Whitney's original 'acapella' but she or her publisher refused. So, AATW found as good a sound-a-like as possible, and because U2 had already said yes to the 'endless guitar sample' anyway, there was nothing stoping the release, apart from sorting out the usual publishing thing.
A tip from a book I read though, if you use an 'original acapella' try to buy the licence or get an agreement for any future royalties to it before you release the song, because if it gets to number 1, the people (not generally the artist) who did the original will more than likely want every penny they can get.
Hope that helps, and everybody, don't forget to mention acapellas4u.co.uk on the sleeve. |
yeah - that's how i understand it as well. good reply.
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| http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.aspsectioncode=29&storycode=12660 |
http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=29&storycode=12660 works but you'll manually have to copy and paste the link into your browser. I wasn't aware that PHPBB didn't like ASP links.. perhaps something was changed within the most recent update - who knows. |
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| i kindda think the thing with copyrites is this...if ur using even the tinyiest bit of someone elses work you should acknowledege them on your own rework....s' only fair.... |
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| also...dont forget the legal dudes have managed to shut sites like winmx and napster for enabling peeps to share musi i think they will defo look closely at people using samples of their artists music in remixed or re-edits etc etc... its a minefield out there!!!!! |
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| here is how it really works no one will really bother you if you do the remix... a rule of thumb is do the damn thimg and make it hot then let it be heard.. 90 per cent of the remixes you do are for private or non commercial use.. commercial being the key word... but when you play in a club and use the remixes if the work is that hot trust me other dj's will want it and if you GIVE it away and enough people are feelin it the artist will find you and ask you to do more work work for them remmber the more the hear there work the more they are out there......another trick ....i am not selling the remix... i am selling the cd the work is not mine but the cd is this too works....stay out the way of major retail and you should be ok |
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Hi Val..
I have read most of the other replys, some of which could be right or wrong about things..
These are my thoughts.
If you remix a song ( and it's a great remix ) I think the best thing to do is to send a copy to the Record label that released the original..
If you have a song such as Tony cristies that origionally was a bit pants
And they then hear your tune using their samples, if they can see that it could do well. They may think " yeah. release that, then at christmas we can re-release the original ( more people will then know the original )
So you can see it would work both ways..
As for copyright..
I enquired about patenting an idea I had..
You can send your work on disk to yourself by recorded delivery and not open it, or you can get in touch with the copyright and patents ( its on google) and they can help you.
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Great Thread guys
| SI PAUL wrote: |
If you remix a song ( and it's a great remix ) I think the best thing to do is to send a copy to the Record label that released the original..
If you have a song such as Tony cristies that origionally was a bit pants
And they then hear your tune using their samples, if they can see that it could do well. They may think " yeah. release that, then at christmas we can re-release the original ( more people will then know the original )
So you can see it would work both ways.. |
This is something I think about quite often. Suppose I grab a copyright Acapella, and layer it with for example a piano riff that makes the mix larger than life. I Give said mix out for free on the web and to DJ mates, its a hit in the underground and the original label decides to re-release the original but with the new Piano riff. Were would I stand copyrightwise? |
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| Great Thread guys |
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tis a great thread!
Like to know where you would stand on the "original label re-release" with your Fresh hook |
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My opinions, and I may be echoing a bit, didn't read every post prior to typing this...and with that having been typed, here we go:
1) I believe the musicians and their legal representation are a bunch of whiney (female dogs<---had to get around the edits here)...An album or artist falls off the map, then someone comes along and drags them back into the spotlight indirectly, and the artist that reignites the fame of some virtual has been takes the fall? CRAP is what that is! Art is the physical representation of the soul...How dare anyone prohibit such expression just because the expression may or may not pull their cashflow away from them?
2) Having typed all that, I do believe that, if you use someone's expression as a component of your expression, then it is only right to acknowledge your source(s)...After all, why not? These artists gave you a source that allowed you to express yourself, aiding in your creative venture...Although crediting sources could get out of hand...After all, art tends to build off of and branch from initial sources...In other words, EVERY creative venture is influenced by environmental factors around us, and therefore, every creative venture could result in volumes of credits if one wished to be accurate...
3) Having typed all THAT, if I were a famous artist and some lil punk upstaged my work by making it better than I could have ever dreamed it would sound and they cashed in on it to boot...I'd be damn tempted to sue their asses off...but, I would not...I've had my work stolen (comedy bits, etc.) and I was mad as hell at first, then realized that they put a new spin on some of my material...and they made me laugh with it...so, it felt almost like an honor to be a part of helping these people create new humor...I, instead of sueing, would meet the artist that sampled my work, and see if I can help them to cash in even more, as long as they were cool enough to help me cash in as well...
4) if the theif was some sort of a waste of genetic composition, and acted like I didn't even exist...I'd break them in court! Blatant theivery cannot go unchecked...
So, long and the short of it all, if the artist gives credit where credit is due, it's all good...If they completely steal someone else's work without so much as a word of credit to the original artist, sue them until they have to go on welfare!!! |
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| darthlaidher2001 wrote: |
the best way to sell ur stuff is to get ur friends to sell them for you on the streets, mom and pop stores are ok too since they are only local and no people in suits will be comming in to look for illegal stuff the big record stores are a no no .
no one is gonna get in trouble for selling their remixs or what not. i dunno what the fuss is about. the only time you need to worry is if or when you start selling thousands of copies of ur remixs and, in reality that probably wont happen. and if ur not in a big musical city with lots of labels and that dont worry because they wont be looking in bum fuk england or where ever ur at for someone making illegal music . |
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| darthlaidher2001 wrote: |
| .....in bum fuk england...... |
i don't know what makes you so dumb but it works really well.... |
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