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| Don't be afraid to make bootlegs. As long as you dont sell them, then it is a fair use of the material (in the US at least.) Unauthoized remixing fuels creativity in dance music. Licensed remixes are shite for the most part, and unless we get to the point where we can get paid by a major to remix pop choons, the best remixes will come from the bottom up. Copyright infringement is a major point of contention for sites like this one, so if no one gets into too much trouble, this can stay a free forum. But in at world where internet radio royalties are escalating, regulation of forums seems not far away. That being said, the exclusive remix will always be the best - it will keep regional sounds alive. Share them. |
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you cannot copyright someone elses copyrighted music... you would need permission from the original holder of the right... in the USA, BMI or ASCAP can help you track down the owners of the riffs if needed...
one note, if you want to do remixes for promotional use only, meaning you want to send a remix to a label or use on a mixed set (personal use only) to show you abilities, you can do so, as long as you are not selling or making profits on the remix... |
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| where can i use my remixes? it is legal? |
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| you know what? the lables & the artists really don't care who puts their material on a mix tape. they consider it a form of publicity. It's just another form of marketing for them & it's free. On the other hand...the damn RIAA dosen't see it that way. As the record industry sales decline due to piracy & such, they're now taking action against it & unfortunately mix tape djs fall into that category. They rarely make any money off the mixtape circuit. they're cracking down hard on us which is dead wrong. We have been doing this for a long time. RIAA is not in tuned with the djs whereas labels & artists do. they need to speak up against the RIAA and tell them to stop. the labels & artists...especially new ones who can't get radio play on mainstream radio need us to help them get heard. |
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didn't read much past the constant defining of copyrights from the first 4 or 5 posts (3 of which were from one user) ....
you can use ANYTHING thats copywritten and remake a song or remix it or chop it up whatever you want to do it to....
the only thing you cannot do is RESALE the product because even though you've added your own flav to it its still the original product as far as anything over a 15 second sample goes.....
you can release 10 volumes of mixtapes or cd's @ 100,000 copies each of your remixed work of another artists song for free .... its called freedom of speach (expression is included and music is expression) ... YOU CANNOT WHAT SO EVER RECIEVE ANY KIND OF NOTATION OR A SINGLE PENNY FOR THE PRODUCT FROM ANYONE .... thats breaking copyright law held on the product.... and as the artist being the sol proprieter (sp) to that product you are infringing on his rights....
hope that clears things up....
and of course yes if you get the permission (written or signed documentation mind you ... not just "go ahead and use it" ) than you can sell as many copies as you want for as much money as you want but in the agreement of usage you will still 99% of the time have a financial obligation to pay a set amount or percentage to the original owner as agreed upon .....
anyone ever need contracts for this s**t i got every kinda contract u might need to prepare yourself |
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| as I haven't actually made anything good I hate Copyrights |
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didn't read much past the constant defining of copyrights from the first 4 or 5 posts (3 of which were from one user) ....
you can use ANYTHING thats copywritten and remake a song or remix it or chop it up whatever you want to do it to....
the only thing you cannot do is RESALE the product because even though you've added your own flav to it its still the original product as far as anything over a 15 second sample goes.....
you can release 10 volumes of mixtapes or cd's @ 100,000 copies each of your remixed work of another artists song for free .... its called freedom of speach (expression is included and music is expression) ... YOU CANNOT WHAT SO EVER RECIEVE ANY KIND OF NOTATION OR A SINGLE PENNY FOR THE PRODUCT FROM ANYONE .... thats breaking copyright law held on the product.... and as the artist being the sol proprieter (sp) to that product you are infringing on his rights....
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That's definitely not true. It is a myth that you can sample anything under 'X' amount of seconds. And, 'Freedom of Speech' is not related to Copyright Law where it is NOT your own creation or idea. 'Freedom of Speech' simply allows you to say (verbal or written) certain things that do not break any other laws.
To everybody.... Do not buy those contracts. You have seen a sample in the quote above. |
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^ to the above ... im not selling contracts.... i make plenty of money from music been in the business for a while now ... i know under x amount of seconds its legal to use and sell without the owners consent ... as far as remixes and mixtapes go with the entire instrumental or vocal sample its illegal...
where do you get your facts from ?
haha this is elementry my lady |
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n if that was still too vague for your "anisina" ...
contracts are free and i have about 30+ for almost any circumstance u might find yourself in .... as little as selling studio time |
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The law, including court rulings. Not hearsay or misinterpretation, but the facts.
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Perhaps this will help clarify matters a little..... at least for the US side.
Music Sampling.
With the popularity of hip hop and rap music, the legality of music sampling has risen. Most musicians are well acquainted with the sampling process. For the uninitiated, the process can be described as the digital copying of, usually, a minute portion of another popular copyrighted song. Sampling can involve several seconds of a song, or only a small “riff” or sequence of notes or sung words. In some cases artists who publish samples in their music have obtained written permission or a license to sample a song by the copyright owner of the sampled song. In more cases, permission is not obtained. As a recent court opinion observes, where you “stand” on the copyright issues of this practice often depends on where you “sit.” Artists whose songs are being sampled without permission generally condemn the practice, while artists who sample music without permission defend it. After many years of legal skirmishing, the first court opinion has been published as a first impression analysis of sampling.
The court’s analysis is somewhat complex but concludes that no sampling can be made without a license or permission.11 The reason is not because of the copyright to the music composition in the sample, but because of the copyright to the sound recording. The court interprets the copyright statute, 17 USC Section 114, as prohibiting the copying of the whole or any part of a sound recording. The new ruling reasons that you should either pay for a license to sample a song with the original sound recording, or go into the studio yourself and recreate the sample with your own sound recording.
For many hip hop and rap musicians, the point of sampling a song is precisely to copy the sound recording of a well known song to give their song a certain feel or emphasis. The intent is to link their song in this manner to the earlier song in the listener’s mind. Most would not consider trying to reproduce the sound independently because it wouldn’t have the same feel. The Bridgeport Music opinion now clarifies that samples of original recordings must be licensed.
Original source.... http://publishing.wsu.edu/copyright/music_copyright/
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http://www.pro-music.org/copyright/faq.htm
and for the UK people.... >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic/legal/ << a straight explanation without quoting sub-sections. |
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hmmm ... very nice presentation but regaurdless either its upholding is miniscule(sp) or they just made that to satisfy those that kept coming to the courts complaining...
if you were to sample a guitar lick or a snare from a song ... just the sound alone is impossible for anyone to say its theirs ... unless they have a very low or high end vocal tag turned way down that can be pulled up from a few eq tweaks .....
either way ive been through a few legal issues and havn't lost nor had a problem yet ... it may be my defense team or it may be im not doing anything wrong, people get greedy and jealous ......so i'll keep doin what i do ... it seems to be working ....
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I think that most hip hop artist don't mind that you use their music to make remixes, because it only leads to more radio play for them, but if you gonna press a record why not pay them.
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| I dont understand how someone would use another individual"s acapellas on a beat then try to claim royalties. Unless you are an official remixer for the artist, you shouldnt expect anything moneywise. If u decide to sell ur completed works, you risk trading music bars for iron bars ;) |
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Thinking about it, it seems a bit strong all this copyrighting stuff. I mean, people make these remixes, and basically advertise the artist(s) music. Remixing and mashups help the original artists reach more people and so bring much more awareness, possibaly increasing thier fan base.
BUT, if one of these mixes/mashups all of a sudden make it big, then, according to what many people seem to say in answer to this post, they sue and rob the smaller person dry.
There have been certian artists that I would have never given the time of day to in the past, but I discovered thier sound through a mix, or through the rift someone uses ect, which has made me want to hear more of them.
If you ask me, many artists owe people who remix them and make something that loads more different genres can enjoy. I do understad the need for copy rights, but its sad if in the end, its more about the extra money that can be made rather than the actual protection. |
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