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hello there people i am new to these forums and would just like to see what your views on using melodies off, say a sample cd or something to use in your own song are.
I am asking this because i have just started the to make music using fl studio, i can do the bass and drums and all the other stuff and know the structures, but when it comes to making a melody i come stuck.
So i have seen these cds with melody samples on them and am not too sure if i should buy one and use them instead of making my own.
SO COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME IF IT IS OK OR WOULD I BE LABLED AS A CHEAT WHO CANT MAKE MUSIC!
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eKOe
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its not cheating, its basically remixing other samples and thats what this whole scene is about am i right?
i cut bits from songs all the time (because i CANT make my own music  ) |
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| thanks for that mate. i just wanted to be sure that other people done it too, because if i ever had anything released(doubt it) i wouldnt want to be labled as a s**t producer because i took something from someone else. Cheers |
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aaj2006
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| it depends. i mean if you wanna make a reputation for yourself as a producer then its probably ok to do it a few times, not always. but if your main thing is making mash-ups and stuff, its ok. |
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| If you get a royalty free sample cd, then you're free to use what you want - and if you make any money, you don't need to pay for the samples. Mike Skinner from The Streets has found this out. A lot of his stuff can be found on such cd's. |
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| personally if I ever use somebody eles melody (which i dont do often) I add my own melodies over it.. to the point its kinda hidden.... this is a key thing to do if you do use somebodys elses maaterial and avoid paying royalites... |
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| JDS is always nicking stuff, but if you make these sequences different enough, you can usually get away with it: like nicking a chord sequence, chopping it up and playing it in a different order. People may think it's familiar, but you'll be ok... |
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ddouble
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| cj_seven wrote: |
Hello!!!
I also use fruity loops and sometimes i take a few samples from others songs. I guess there is a limit of time (seconds or beat!?) to be legal. |
3 second rule i think, u can have any sample form any tune, without having to declare it as long as its under 3 seconds long (im pretty sure on this)
only the snobs will label u a poor producer.
the best way around it is to personalise the melody you are sampling.
change the pitch, rearrange a few notes, gate it a bit and your away! |
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squiffy
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| ddouble wrote: |
| cj_seven wrote: |
Hello!!!
I also use fruity loops and sometimes i take a few samples from others songs. I guess there is a limit of time (seconds or beat!?) to be legal. |
3 second rule i think, u can have any sample form any tune, without having to declare it as long as its under 3 seconds long (im pretty sure on this)
only the snobs will label u a poor producer.
the best way around it is to personalise the melody you are sampling.
change the pitch, rearrange a few notes, gate it a bit and your away! |
Okay: the 3 second rule. Here's a poser for you...
Say I sampled a drum break from a tune: Amen Brother, as an obvious example.
The break is longer than 3 seconds.
But then I pitch it up because I'm using it in d'n'b and afterwards the break is under 3 seconds.
Your thoughts please... |
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ddouble
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theres an intresting one.
i would of thought u would get away with it due to the nature of the sample.
beats are a harder things to copywrite as whos to say they own a certain sample/pattern.
for all they know, u recreated it on your drum machine ;) |
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squiffy
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| ddouble wrote: |
theres an intresting one.
i would of thought u would get away with it due to the nature of the sample.
beats are a harder things to copywrite as whos to say they own a certain sample/pattern.
for all they know, u recreated it on your drum machine ;) |
Okay, say it was a funk guitar line then... |
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ddouble
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i would steer clear of it unless neccesary.
if u want a specific sample for your tune, then use it and take it from there. people wont class it as cheating. but as for the legalities of such a process..... depends on what you are going to do with the track
its much easier if u recreate a similar sound or discuise it so people wont recognise it. |
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squiffy
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| ddouble wrote: |
i would steer clear of it unless neccesary.
if u want a specific sample for your tune, then use it and take it from there. people wont class it as cheating. but as for the legalities of such a process..... depends on what you are going to do with the track
its much easier if u recreate a similar sound or discuise it so people wont recognise it. |
I'm just playing devil's advocate here... |
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I think that using bass or drum samples is ok, but when it comes to melodies, the answer is NO. Melody is the main part of the song, everything else usually only distinguishes the melody.
It's like: here, listen to these boring drums, here comes the bassline, the snare roll tells the listener that something BIG is comming... And here is the super-duper melody, and you've been waiting all you life to hear it ;))
I think that in genders,where melody is the main part of the song, if you decide to use a sample melody, you should call it a remix, in other cases it's fine. |
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Well, its only stealing if the track you're taking the sample/riff from is copyrighted, this is why they produce royalty free sample cd's, the correct thing to do when using a sample/riff extracted from a commercial track would be to call the track a remix and use the original artist name as the first name, and then your name in brackets stating that you remixed it... i.e (DJ Tomcraft - Loneliness (Zone-X's pumping Mix)
And all this aint from my own knowledge, I know this from sending an email to a friend named mike from Fruityloops.net 
- Zone-X |
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squiffy
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| Zone-X wrote: |
Well, its only stealing if the track you're taking the sample/riff from is copyrighted, this is why they produce royalty free sample cd's, the correct thing to do when using a sample/riff extracted from a commercial track would be to call the track a remix and use the original artist name as the first name, and then your name in brackets stating that you remixed it... i.e (DJ Tomcraft - Loneliness (Zone-X's pumping Mix)
And all this aint from my own knowledge, I know this from sending an email to a friend named mike from Fruityloops.net
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But what of Mash ups? If you've taken samples from 4 or 5 different tunes and mixed them all together, who's name goes first?
Actually that's totally illegal anyway...
Related topic: I hear Adam Freeland is probably gonna get into a bit of strife over his remix of 'smells like teen spirit'.
Courtney's lawyers are going into overdrive. Again. |
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ddouble
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i have thought of a working example of the 3 second rule
"dem2 - destiny"
the female vocal is taken from "tracy chapman - behind the wall"
if u read the credits on the vinyl, there is no mention of this at all, i believe this is because they had no need to clear the sample.
back to melodies, i agree the melody makes the song, however if u use someones elses melody in a clever new way then it shows creativity and vision and i believe this sort of thing should be encouraged!! |
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| ddouble wrote: |
back to melodies, i agree the melody makes the song, however if u use someones elses melody in a clever new way then it shows creativity and vision and i believe this sort of thing should be encouraged!! |
That's how I've always been thinking it, it's ok I guess to use other melodies, I mean we all gotta start off from somewhere, in a few of my mixes I've been using cut melodies from other tracks and remixin them with different kick beats etc. Just purely for fun. |
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