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I think I’m going to give this a try myself. I’m going to add a bit of my formula in the method. If I get any good results, you guys’ll be the first to know.
As far as that pella release team mentioned in earlier posts, if we come up with a successful way to do that, COUNT ME IN!!! I’d love to help!
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I have used the insturmental inversion techniqe with moderate success, but the insturmental versions often do not exactly match the original song. this process worked fairly well on the cd single for “2-way” by rayvon ft. shaggy. if you want to practice, this may be a good place to start.AdSense 336x280is this worth a try?
here’s the original + instrumental(inverted) = acapella method
it works with most cd’s ive triedneed proof it sometimes works before trying it?
here is a short snippet of the original song:
[url:3jh1c5ax]http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~patchett/original.mp3[/url:3jh1c5ax]here is a short snippet of the acapella i turned it into:
[url:3jh1c5ax]http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~patchett/acapella.mp3[/url:3jh1c5ax]1.) rip the original song and its instrumental to wav files. Make sure they are exactly the same so they will be able to cancell each other out later.
2.) in soundforge (or whatever u use) find a distictive point on each song so that u can match the 2 files up to each other. to make things easier, press ‘m’ where ur at the points so it leaves a marker.
NOTE: the instrumental is the top file in this pic:
3.) double click to the left of a file. everything to the left of ur file should be selected. remove this data (i usually cut and paste it to a new file) and do the same to the other file. ur 2 files compared should look something like this (check by changing ur zoom level)
4.)select what’s left of ur instrumental file go to edit > copy
5.) go to ur original song and click where ur marker is.
6.) go to edit > pastespecial > mix
make sure the ‘inverted’ box is ticked.
play with the ‘volume’ and ‘preview’ so u can cancel as much of the instrumental as possible.
7.) click on ‘okay’
8.) if it is done correctly, it should look something like this:
and that’s it!
sorry about the confusion – hope i havent got u all confused![/url]
AdSense 336x280theres a complete turotial on the net that ill give you guys the link too. if you do have two soundfiles o the same loops and invert one of them it makes absolutely no sound. if you have lyrics on one of the loops it will leave the vocals and cancel out the instrumental . so logically it would work with an instrumental and a copy of the same song i think imma try it with a single and see if it works. heres the link :http://4trak.net/dsico/archives/000082.html
hope it helps
AdSense 336x280[quote quote="TiMG":1jp0b1k8]ok. Something i’ve been discussing on GYBO with people.
[quote:1jp0b1k8]Tim G’s Pella making tutorial
1. Get ur mp3 (make sure its atleast 192kps , preferably 256 or more) or WAV (much better obviously)
2. Load it into soundforge and do a ‘PAN/EXPAND’ process with the settings set to ‘mid side’ ..
This gives you a WAV with the Left-right material and centre mono material separated..3. Grab the Centre mono material (which will hopefully have significantly more vocal than instruments/music.. save it as a mono WAV and load into Cool Edit
4. In Cool Edit select a section of instrumental with no vox (bit you want to reduce/remove from the vocal) and get a noise reduction profile (at 24000 FFT size + about 300 snapshots in the profile).. **actually since posting this on GYBO i’ve found that smaller FFT sizes with a larger no of snapshots can be more effective**
5. then select the whole WAV.. preview the noise reduction.. listen to what it does..
6. In the eq graph line bit.. increase the noise red below 200 hz and less between 300-10000hz .. giving a bit more clarity to the main vocal ‘region’
7. Then maybe try some midband compression (300-8000hz) with a very fast attack (with readahead set to about 12ms) and 100ms release.. (i’ll have to post a pic of the comp curve to show you how to get good results) to help gate some of the background music left over.
8. Then go to http://www.soundhack.com and download the amazing, yet seemingly unheard of,.. spectral plugins (VST) (theres a free trial)
9. go into cubase (or wot ever prog u use) import the ‘pella’ you’ve made and use the spectral gate to reduce non fundamental harmonics (see soundhack pdf for more info)…
The trick is to do this ‘in the mix’ for best results… Using a fast attack and slow release with the spectral gate helps remove transients like snares and cymbals..
[/quote:1jp0b1k8]This is a method of getting vocals out of tracks I’ve been using for a while. I’ve been able to get some pretty good results from it.. most the tracks I’ve done for MTV have used this method as acapellas weren’t available for the tracks i wanted to mix.
I’m looking for like minded, pella-making-people with applemacs! Theres a plugin for SonicWorx called Pandora RT which claims to isolate and remove vocals (not via a Left/Right phase inversion)..I don’t have a MAc so i cant try it out.
I think if a few people were to join forces on this we could have a kind of ‘pella ‘release group’.. where we would combine our efforts to get popular + non-available pellas made pretty quickly.[/quote:1jp0b1k8]
hey homie, big up to yo for dat man, it looks heavy but i cant get the smae resulsts as you can
anyway peace
AdSense 336x280Its been a long while sice I dabbled with Accapella’s, Ive hardly done anythin with them since the days even before “Classic Accapella’s” was online! lol.
There was (like here) a massive array of different ideas/suggestions about how to do it – I never found a single one to work cleanly, but as I say, its been a good few years since I even tried.
Im looking forward to trying the original suggestion and then trying some of the others on top. For those who are trying to use Cooledit on its own for inversion and stuff like that I dont think it works in the same manner as other softwares – I believe you need to use a handfull of softwares on a single try, using thier strenghths for each task within the sonic process.
I love Cooledit (or should I say Audition Adobe nowadays as Ive found out this week
), but I dont believe it has all the EXACT same methods as other software. I hear on the Adobe site there are new tools coming out in the soon to be released/new version which may be great 
I dunno.Well, Just need to lay my hands on soundforge next
Cheers for the tips guys, I sure hope I can cope better as I hadnt much luck last time around! Ive about 2,000 oldskool piano/rave vinyls and about 2200 house/prog/trance to test on!!!!!
Cheerio
Sirius.
AdSense 336x280cheers its nice to be appreciated
AdSense 336x280Id like to say i understood some of the things you were talking about……but i didnt, as a matter of fact i had no idea what cooledit was until i saw you posted something similar to this thread on the “dsico” site….if i can get my hands on all the software included in this little tutorial, i’ll definately give this a try
AdSense 336x280Yeah …. works great with dirty south acapellas like Lil Jon, Lil Scrappy etc.
BIG THX
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heres wot the noise reduction bit should look like. use as many snapshots as you can in the profile, press ‘get profile’ (make sure you only select a small area that contains good background ‘noise’ like bass or synth) then apply to the whole thing (preview 1st obviously) (notice that the LOG box is checked .thats important)
theres no rules to what will give you the best pella! u have to use your ears and brain. i rarely use soundhack now, maybe if theres some annoying high frequency left over like a hihat or something i will
knockout is the best thing to use. post or pre cooledit. depends on the song
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