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haha..
well sometimes if you're minijack socket is dodgy you can get phase between the two signals and that cancels out the vocals yes
much easier to use software tho!
p.s. r u on speed? |
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p.s. r u on speed? |
what a classic, pissed meself when I read that Tim..
sorry to whoever it is that Timg's comment was based towards..
(runs away buckled over, still laughin') |
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| dang tim u dont have to be so mean |
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sorry.. it was a joke
didn't mean any offence
justyourtypingisallreallyfastuknowandican'tkeepupwithreadingiteaslily
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that is an old page from bootlegger 'dsico's site i think..
just explains the instrumental phase-out method..
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1. THE PHASE CANCELLATION METHOD
Get an instrumental of a song, invert the phase (sometimes refered to as flipping), and mix it with the original.. If done right everything besides the vocal is cancelled out. You can do this in any sequencer like cubase or acid.. The instrumental must be excatly the same time/pitch however. and mp3s might not work if they are badly encoded. Zoom right in to see the 2 waveforms next to each other (look for kick drum hits) and line them up. |
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| i think if there is at least a good enough program that can get rid of vocals using mp3 format or wav. u can run that through knock out and get a fairly good acapella. somebody post any information on making instrumentals using a program like yogen , or somthing would be nice, but better. there is a hardware device that does this thing im talking about but it only does it if the songs came from original cd. its called Thompson Vocal EliminatorTM Model VE-4 it sounds realy good, but i would like it if it was in a program. maby u guys can post some info on finding something like this. if there is a program that is out there that can remove most of the vocals, i garinty u its gana be alot easyer to make a diy acapella that actually sounds good. any way post comments or any info. please if u know any thing. thanks. |
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| You methods were very informative, I've never tried that before. I've always used reverse phasing to get rid of standing waves in clubs but never to make an acapella. I will definitely try it. Also, Numark's CDN 88 and CDN 90 dual cd players have an ISO effect that you can use the wheel to eliminate certain frequencies. This works with some songs.. |
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| I have never used it, but if you get a reply or find something out please let me know. I would love to experiment with it. |
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it just does a PAN/EXPAND process..
Left channel inverted over right channel
gets rid of centre mono.. which doesn't usually give u a good instrumental. |
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| well do u know any other way to get an instrumental besides just looping it and matching it up under the vocals. the only thing i know that can do a good job is the thompson vocal eliminator. |
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never thought of it like that, its quite simple really. Its like if you have two speakers and the negotive and positive swapped on one they sound really quiet. I spent ages trying to figure why my stereo was so quiet when i was younger, anyway thats beside the point i'll shut up now. 
Thanks for the advice i always wondered how i can get the vocals out of tracks. |
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as for making instrumentals..thats a different matter..
but the process is similar.
best way is to find loops..
ocassionally i've done other things (like do a L/R to get a guitar.. then mix that with a drum loop from the intro or something) |
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| well i have done the inversion pan expand process, and looped and matched the instrumental under the vocals. and some noise reduction bye captering the noise of my loop, with a little bit of amplifying the vocals. and some more pan expanding afterwards, graphic EQ, to have more presens of the vocals, and if course i used the knockout plug-in, and the specterlizer from sound hack, includding the vocal enhancer, i gotten pretty much the snare and the rest of the instrumental out of my acapella. i used a chorse producer from dub master. my only down fall is that it sounds good but, the qaulity isnt that great, it sounds like he is to low, and i have to turn up the volume to hear him better. but when i do that it sounds like the speakers are gana blow, like he is too loud. its a good one i made, but the vocal quality is just a little bad. i was thinking how i can enhance it, or to fix it. i think that i am doing somthing wrong in the noise reduction. but any wayz the process would be alot easyer and simpler if there was a real time program that can make good enough instrumentals just to get most of the acapella out when going through knock out. i would let u hear the acapella i did but i just need to upload it on this page or another to have u guys hear it. and make suggestions. thanks. |
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| Thanks for this, but do you know where i can get more of an in-depth tutorial using soundforge? |
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| marcicano wrote: |
| well i have done the inversion pan expand process, and looped and matched the instrumental under the vocals. and some noise reduction bye captering the noise of my loop, with a little bit of amplifying the vocals. and some more pan expanding afterwards, graphic EQ, to have more presens of the vocals, and if course i used the knockout plug-in, and the specterlizer from sound hack, includding the vocal enhancer, i gotten pretty much the snare and the rest of the instrumental out of my acapella. i used a chorse producer from dub master. my only down fall is that it sounds good but, the qaulity isnt that great, it sounds like he is to low, and i have to turn up the volume to hear him better. but when i do that it sounds like the speakers are gana blow, like he is too loud. its a good one i made, but the vocal quality is just a little bad. i was thinking how i can enhance it, or to fix it. i think that i am doing somthing wrong in the noise reduction. but any wayz the process would be alot easyer and simpler if there was a real time program that can make good enough instrumentals just to get most of the acapella out when going through knock out. i would let u hear the acapella i did but i just need to upload it on this page or another to have u guys hear it. and make suggestions. thanks. |
what song did you do? |
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for the german people:
1. DIE PHASENCAnnullierungcMethode erhalten ein instrumentelles eines Song, umkehren die Phase (refered manchmal zu, wie leicht schlagend) und mischen sie mit der Vorlage. Wenn Sie nach rechts alles außer vocal getan werden, wird heraus annulliert. Sie können dies in jeder möglicher Anreihung wie cubase oder Säure tun. Das instrumentelle muß das gleiche time/pitch excatly jedoch sein und mp3s konnte nicht arbeiten, wenn sie schlecht kodiert werden. Zoomrecht, die 2 Wellenformen nahe bei einander innen zu sehen (suchen Sie nach Stoßtrommelerfolgen) und sie oben zu zeichnen. 2. DIE KNOCKOUTCMethode, die ' knock0ut ' (http://www.freewebs.com/st3pan0va/) können Sie verwendet, Einteiler von Audio von anderen spektral subtrahieren. Beginnen Sie, indem Sie die Mitte extrahieren, die von einer Schiene mono ist (soundforge oder cooledit tun sie mit der pan-/expandeigenschaft). dann versuchen Sie und lassen Sie ein instrumentelles aus Schleifen heraus von der Schiene und ' sie aus ' der vocal Teile zu klopfen. Dieses kann arbeiten, selbst wenn das instrumentelle nicht excatly dasselbe wie der Song ist. 3. ANDERE METHODEN außer diesen Methoden können Sie kühles versuchen redigieren (jetzt Hörproben) Lärmverminderungeigenschaft, die sehr leistungsfähig ist. Analysieren Sie ein wenig instrumentelles und erhalten Sie ein Profil (6000 oder 4096FFT ist eine gute Größe).. verringern Sie sich als vom vollständigen Song. Sie können die spektralen plugins des soundhack auch versuchen und Transmodder Voxengos zum futher verringern spikeynosies wie Trommeln. (nicht fragen Sie mich wie. sein aller Versuch und Störung). Sie bilden NIE ein total vollkommenes acapella mit 2 und 3. Sie können etwas gut jedoch bilden genug, in Ihrer Mischung zu arbeiten. BENUTZEN SIE IHRE OHREN! HÖREN Sie und erlernen Sie und Sie konnten TimG irgendwo erhalten |
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| booboo wrote: |
| i got sound forge 8.0 and it says it supports vst plug-ins but i cant figur oput how to add the plug ins to it can someone pls tell me how cuz i wanna put that one plug in n try it out |
thats more of a general audio/software query.. try asking in the forum |
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| Thnx everybody...i'm gonna give it a try. |
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