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Macz rule!!!! I like dem way betta dan pcs i duno wot it iz tho. Ne1 else feel this way?????
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devilzone
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Apparently not, Big-T-Like-Magik.
Always seemed a bit (i mean a lot) overpriced. |
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| Big-T-Like-Magik wrote: |
| Macz rule!!!! I like dem way betta dan pcs i duno wot it iz tho |
i agree, would never go back to win!!!
for me, there are three reasons.
first is the os.
if started wit amiga (500, later 1200) an just switched to pc after they died. from that day, i suffered from windows.
install this driver, can't find that file, blue screens after blue screens.. 
not talking bout internet-attacks on pcs..
from the day i found osx, i felt kinda back home. there seems to be this little bit more in every details, everything is simple.. just plug any digitalcam to ur mac - it will directly copy ur pics in ur library..
big advantage is that the developer of the os knows, which devices will be in the final device - unlike windows.. seems like a better working-base.
and for me, it just looks better...
second is the hardware. neather it's really pro nor it's consumer-product without without really compareble competitors.
when u think of macpro, it really IS pro!
the whole thing comes from the server-corner, i.e. the ram got its own cpu, its got a cooled alu-frame for 4 sata-hds (2TB!!), up to 16gb ram, firewire800-port, 3 pci-e-ports..
the imac with the all-in-screen-design and the macmini are examples for innovative ideas too. plus they are are pro-compatible.
third is logic. but that's.. up to apple in a way..
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Apparently not, Big-T-Like-Magik.
Always seemed a bit (i mean a lot) overpriced. |
as u r talking bout the past i agree wit u.
but when u think of the new iMacs.. where can u get a 2.16ghz core2duo (the nu merom!!) and a hi-quality 20" for EUR 1.470???
imo the prices are great from 17" edu to 24"!!
plus its design. and i'm not talkin bout the look but the simplicity of a whole device in a screen.
the macpros aren't overpriced too i think (see above..)
show me really compareble pcs that are cheaper.
i even heard of a lot of windows-pro-user (i.e. nuendo) that got a macpro just with windows nowadays..
of course there are specialized pcs that can do the same or more. but i never saw a cheaper one.
don't get me wrong - i'm not a fan!! i see that especially powerbooks were overpriced for a long time - and so was nearly everything, starting with a mouse.
i also don't like this 'it's just like a pc, just nicer'-attitude comin directly from apple, all this special standards as .aiff, .aac,...
not talkin bout logic..
so apple is way from perfect but i think it still is the less pain... |
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devilzone
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I take a lot of your points plattitude...but i really do think it is a myth that PC's running xp sp2 will give out more bsod's than Mac crashes. The fact that a lot more cheap and free software is availiable for PC might contribute to this myth....as running XP for wordpad tasks will never lead to crashes.
Mac ad campaigns will add to this this myth without mentioning the inherent downsides to such a closed system as Macintosh.
I agree that the Price of macs is decreasing - but i think you could make a pretty good 3gz dual PC for £600 leaving enough change to buy a good soundcard and probably some software as well!!
Lets see what Macs can do after a few years of Intel collaboration - interesting times ahead for macdaddies for sure.
Logic : Gits.....Mac have consistently refused to continue any support for my emagic soundcard since buying Emagic. You would have thought that supporting cross platform hardware would be a good advertising tool for 'em. Apparently Mr."I wont touch any PC driver with a ten foot pole" Jobs thinks differently. Git.
Git.
That's all I have to say on the subject...Oh except.......Linux. Won't be long before Windows is no more than a bad (amount of used) memory!!! |
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Computers in general are rubbish. Technology, man's best friend and also man's worst enemy.
Personally though, a PC is much better for me. Been using PCs for years & have become acustomed to them. My younger cousin got a new Mac just before she went to Uni this year & it was great to play around with it. Built in Firewall too which is good and doesn't cost that extra bit ontop of the price like it would when you buy a PC.
But PCs are more comforting. I guess it's like the football team you were brought up to support as a child. You'll prefer what you grew up with & what you know.
We could discuss this 'til the cows come home but it's all down to opinion at the end of the day.
Peace
P.S. For all you Windows haters, look at this and this.
You'll find it amusing lol! |
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devilzone
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Ahhhaaahahaahaha...That first one is a classic....great stuff Preq...lol. Did that guy get fired or did he get very fired.LOL
Ok...Macdaddies watch this!!
THIS IS WAY NOT SUITABLE FOR WORK OR UNDER 18's,
this and this
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| Lol Devilzone, the 1st & 3rd 1s are funny as hell, the guy in the 2nd is such a geek lol! |
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babooo
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| plattitude wrote: |
as u r talking bout the past i agree wit u.
but when u think of the new iMacs.. where can u get a 2.16ghz core2duo (the nu merom!!) and a hi-quality 20" for EUR 1.470???
imo the prices are great from 17" edu to 24"!!
plus its design. and i'm not talkin bout the look but the simplicity of a whole device in a screen.
the macpros aren't overpriced too i think (see above..)
show me really compareble pcs that are cheaper.
i even heard of a lot of windows-pro-user (i.e. nuendo) that got a macpro just with windows nowadays..
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Macs are still overpriced. You can get a Core 2 Duo with 2,6 Ghz (imac with 2,3Ghz= 250 $ more), twice DDR-Ramm better GFX-card and better Screen for less money. Yes Macs design are beautiful.
Just look how much Apple charges when upgrading you device... 200-300 $ !!! for 1 GB DDR2 Ram ? 
So, Apple became cheaper, but still overpriced. |
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| prequel wrote: |
| I guess it's like the football team you were brought up to support as a child. You'll prefer what you grew up with & what you know. |
i know where u comin from and i feel it in a way. my tool is logic and i don't wanna give it up. but didn't wanted to give up amiga workbench and got used to win and now to osx. it's possible..
and osx plus logic are my major tools so i don't wanna give me contantly with something i'm just used too but find out what's the best. and mac plus logic was kinda wakeup for me..
but what i saw, windows vista will look quite alike osx (surprise..) so it's up to apple to make the next step.
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| Logic : Gits.....Mac have consistently refused to continue any support for my emagic soundcard since buying Emagic. You would have thought that supporting cross platform hardware would be a good advertising tool for 'em. Apparently Mr."I wont touch any PC driver with a ten foot pole" Jobs thinks differently. Git. |
yes, the emagic integration was... unperfect.. think of the happy logic6 customers, buying exs, es1(?)... seperately plus a year later the major7update including all this stuff.. but that should be done now, all power in futureproducts..
as i think cubase4 is a bit disappointing, it'll be quite interessting what logic8 will offer.. hope for liquidaudio, soundtrackpro-audio-editing and NOT more instruments and 2nd-class-effects..
more protools less garageband... but that's ot..
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Macs are still overpriced. You can get a Core 2 Duo with 2,6 Ghz (imac with 2,3Ghz= 250 $ more), twice DDR-Ramm better GFX-card and better Screen for less money. Yes Macs design are beautiful.
Just look how much Apple charges when upgrading you device... 200-300 $ !!! for 1 GB DDR2 Ram ? :roll:
So, Apple became cheaper, but still overpriced. |
do u have a link? sure every component is compareble? intel merom?
plus i think the display is quite good, it's a cinema display..
and for pro: as i wrote above, u can't just compare this numbers. it's about the package, whole thing coming from the sercer-corner etc..
i just discussed this with to mate-producers, one mac, one pc...
we compared highend audiopcs wit macpro and if u buy comparable tower and compents and found out, it's nearly the same. www.audiozapp.de
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| Lets see what Macs can do after a few years of Intel collaboration - interesting times ahead for macdaddies for sure |
our admin told me that the ceo of amd said somethin bout a possible apple-collabo.. very interessting times.. |
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babooo
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| plattitude wrote: |
do u have a link? sure every component is compareble? intel merom?
plus i think the display is quite good, it's a cinema display..
and for pro: as i wrote above, u can't just compare this numbers. it's about the package, whole thing coming from the sercer-corner etc..
i just discussed this with to mate-producers, one mac, one pc...
we compared highend audiopcs wit macpro and if u buy comparable tower and compents and found out, it's nearly the same. www.audiozapp.de
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Just made a online configuration @DELL with nearly exact same specs, as the 1500$ Imac (didn't have the same GFX-card) and without monitor i got 910 $
Add a display like Acers http://geizhals.at/a176989.html (which is cheaper, has the same resolution, but better cd/m², better contrast and better response time (twice as fast), and costs only 250 $
Yeah not that much cheaper, only about 250-350 $ and you can't compare them by design, but it has the same performance and it's still cheaper.
Though, i would spend this money more, to get a really beautiful computer.
But if you don't have the money, and can build you pc by your own (which is not very difficult) you'd save even more than 250-350 $ |
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| babooo wrote: |
if you don't have the money, and can build you pc by your own (which is not very difficult) you'd save even more than 250-350 $ |
absolutely no doubt, totally with u.
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Just made a online configuration @DELL with nearly exact same specs, as the 1500$ Imac (didn't have the same GFX-card) and without monitor i got 910 $
Add a display like Acers http://geizhals.at/a176989.html (which is cheaper, has the same resolution, but better cd/m², better contrast and better response time (twice as fast), and costs only 250 $
Yeah not that much cheaper, only about 250-350 $ and you can't compare them by design, but it has the same performance and it's still cheaper.
Though, i would spend this money more, to get a really beautiful computer.
But if you don't have the money, and can build you pc by your own (which is not very difficult) you'd save even more than 250-350 $ |
though i don't think u can compare a dell and a mac quality-wise (please let's NOT discuss that, but three friends of mine are actually suffering with their device..) i just get u with the screen.
again, it's not just the numbers as responsetime, but quality in a whole like colourtrueness and this stuff. just talked to a photo-editor (using imacG4 with PS...) bout this but forgot 90% as i'm not a multimedia-guy so if someone can explain this more detailed..
anyway, if u want to compare the included 20"cinema display of the imac, remember it's E750 alone and a pro-device, used as reference for dvd- and photo-editing, in advertising agencies.. ask the disney-guys..
so please don't take a E250-acer-display but at least something like this sony20" http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/a169492.html which is arround E600 so we're back at 1.5k...
btw i heard of some big studios even prefering the acd to the Eizo ones that are at E900 in this size..
i totally agree that it's not needed to make music, but u get a fair deal, still not thinking of the os, the included software (garageband? comparebale with FL?!incl. logic plugins!!! imovie, iXY) and included drivers...
i really like the design, but it's not the matter for me when i buy a tool for makin music. it's nice and i definately like it but if the imac would be purple-green-sprinkled, i'll recommend it though.. |
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| yeah I agree, i love my mac. |
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babooo
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| plattitude wrote: |
again, it's not just the numbers as responsetime, but quality in a whole like colourtrueness and this stuff. just talked to a photo-editor (using imacG4 with PS...) bout this but forgot 90% as i'm not a multimedia-guy so if someone can explain this more detailed..
anyway, if u want to compare the included 20"cinema display of the imac, remember it's E750 alone and a pro-device, used as reference for dvd- and photo-editing, in advertising agencies.. ask the disney-guys..
so please don't take a E250-acer-display but at least something like this sony20" http://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/a169492.html which is arround E600 so we're back at 1.5k...
btw i heard of some big studios even prefering the acd to the Eizo ones that are at E900 in this size..
i totally agree that it's not needed to make music, but u get a fair deal, still not thinking of the os, the included software (garageband? comparebale with FL?!incl. logic plugins!!! imovie, iXY) and included drivers...
i really like the design, but it's not the matter for me when i buy a tool for makin music. it's nice and i definately like it but if the imac would be purple-green-sprinkled, i'll recommend it though.. |
Ok, i admit i didn't read a test about that Acer screen. Also i doubt it can't compete to the Apple Cinema.
But Apple Cinema HD screens are not even close to be a as good as you expect.
Apple doesn't build the panels. They buy them from LG, which are assembled in China. They just build a nice case around it, and don't even add a particular filter or component to process images.
Tomshardware tested the 23" Cinema and came to the conclusion, that they are pretty good overall but have some major minuses.
"The Apple Cinema disappointed us, thus dispelling a myth."
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/08/30/all/page2.html
My personal overall Mac Vs Pc solution:
If you are able to spend a bit more cash, want a really beautiful piece of technique, and a operating system which is easier to handle, go for the Macs... |
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| babooo wrote: |
But Apple Cinema HD screens are not even close to be a as good as you expect.
Apple doesn't build the panels. They buy them from LG, which are assembled in China. They just build a nice case around it, and don't even add a particular filter or component to process images.
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i know there's always fight between people likin wit others hatin 'em..
they are far from topposition (that could propably be Eizo) but they still are a reference for dvd-editing, as i wrote a lot of people earnin their money wit it use them, so they got at least the value of their price (Eizo is arround plus 30%)
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My personal overall Mac Vs Pc solution:
If you are able to spend a bit more cash, want a really beautiful piece of technique, and a operating system which is easier to handle, go for the Macs...
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totally agree, plus mac allows u to choose ur os. |
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The Mac is a lifestyle choice for me. I loved my Windows PC when I was into computing for the sake of computing. Now I love my Mac because I'm not that interested in spending time learning about how computers work anymore, (there is more maintenance involved with Windows) I'm interested in music, and use a computer to mess with music.
Oh, and Macs are far more cool too 
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it's very easy to discount the mac's value when you can build your own. but the marketing that makes you all gag isn't directed at you. it's directed at people who have never bought a computer or only buy computers which come assembled in a box.
So take two deep breaths... no one is criticizing your choice of OS (it was a choice.... right?)
Any Windows power user will have to admit that OS X is stellar after getting used to the navigation. I dragged & dropped a URL into a open source FTP program and it plopped the href destination of the link right into the textfield where I dropped it. That's not a feature of the FTP program, it is part of the system. nice touches like that which are impossible to list but happen every day and save you time.... which for us geezers... is money ;)
also I can not go back to PC laptops the Macbook two finger scrolling is worth 1/4 penny every use and I use it 100 times a day at least! |
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